Why and where did Jesus go away?

Clearly it is not my issue .. as I am in complete agreement that there are 3 entities present at Jesus Baptism -- What is your issue .. such that you believe that the mention of Peter Paul and God in the same book makes them a unified God ?

If these people each have separate will -- they are not the same person .... not the same God. At the Baptism of Jesus you have a God who adopts a human of 30 years... the anointed one of God - the Messiah -- like Cyrus and Sargon .. who upon receiving the divine spark -- must go through a ritual Trial to activate his divinity .. a Trial where the Son of Man is tested by a Son of God --- the Tester of Souls .. a test Jesus passes ands thus begins his mission .. as the Logos and wonder worker.

None of this means that Jesus was "God" --- The Father .. hope this clears up your issue.

 

Were your eyes plucked out? I'm sorry that's terrible

Maybe 13:4

I only ever responded to your posts. You placed yourself in something I was saying to another poster and I was correct about you. I never engaged with your thread topic.

 

Then be atheist. Are you wanting people to tell you how cool you are because if it or something?

 

And David was also his god's begotten son (Psalm 2:6-7) even though he was a murderer who said that his love with Jonathon was more wonderful than with any of his wives and concubines (2Sam 1:26).

 

Christians cannot accept/digest/assimilate "strong meat". But here it is ....

1. Jesus was a human. He died 2,000 years ago. He's not "coming back".
2. Christians are confused. That's what's going on there.
3. Here's the "strong meat" .... "I" am Christ. Jesus was saying your "I" will be with "you" always. This is not a reference to your food body (flesh body). This is not a reference to your mind. They will both die and never return. But your "I" (your True Self) will be with you always. Or so he said. But specifically, he said "I AM" with you always. Christians talk about "the I AM" as being god. Yes it is a reference to their "god" but the real quote is "I AM THAT I AM". And that REALLY confuses them. They read it wrong. Again, this is "strong meat". But here it is .....

People often say "I" while referring to either their food body (flesh) or to their mind. They say "I was home by 6:00" which is a reference to the body. Or they say "I think it's going to rain" which is a reference to their mind. So what "I" do they really believe in? Who am "I" - body or mind??? Which "I" am I?

The bible says god answered that. Which one? THAT one. He said "I am THAT one". .... "I am THAT I am" ..... THAT one.

NOTE: When a mystic says "That" (usually capitalized as a tip-off) it is a reference to the nameless, unspeakable "I". And BTW that is why some religions write "G_d". They're following a tradition of not speaking of their god because it is a nameless, unspeakable "IS".

So the bible is using the word "That" as a reference to god. So instead of having god say "I am me" which would convey the WRONG message as it implies there are other "selves", it has god saying "I am That". But in the translating, which the translators could not grasp, they made it "I AM THAT I AM". But actually the original Aramaic was trying to say "I am That". Or "I am He that is".

And more "strong meat" ..... it is also a statement saying that there is ONE SELF or "I". There is not you and me. To the mystics, there is one "I". And in its purity it is known as a synonym for "I" or for "the True Self" and it is called "Christ". So who are you? I mean REALLY? You are the same One as I and every other "person" who exists, and so you are Christ deep down in your Trueness of your True Self.

Christians cannot receive this. The "meat" is much too "strong". But every mystic of every religion Knows it. And some have experienced it and then told about it with clarity. (Therefore every religion is the same message in reality, but each is expressed in a different story.) But Christians need it all presented in familiar English, so they can't hear all this.

 

Is your "god" finite? Or is your god "ever-present"? If you "rise up to heaven" is he there? If you sink down to hell, is he there? Your bible says he is. Why? BECAUSE YOUR GOD IS INFINITE!!! There is no place from where he is excluded!

So if god is everywhere, how can there be any room for another "entity"??? How can there be three infinite beings???? How can there be two if one of them is infinite???

Oh, now the Christian will redefine the word "infinite" to mean "finite".

 

My eyes are fine, thank you. For now.
Well, we were talking about this:

I can tell you, I have asked for many things and I haven't received the majority of them.
May be you have received everything you asked for? If that's the case, congratulations, you are a saint.

If I don't agree with the image the Judeo-Christian Bible depicts God, that doesn't mean God doesn't exist. It just means God is not what the Judeo-Christian Bible depicts Him to be.

 

Matthew 10:14

 

so why did you say you couldn't see?

To bad for you

it isn't about saying God is a magical genie that will greater every wish so if that's what you're looking for I don't think this religion is for you.

I couldn't tell you.

You can believe whatever you want. If you don't believe in the Christian God why the hell are you asking about the Christian God?

 

They ultimately don't. They are one in spirit (shared divine will).

The Father and The Son are both God. (John 1)

 

Excellent response

 

I didn't, you made that claim up. Here's our dialog.

Well yeah, I guess.

I know it's not for me. I am a former Christian, one can say.

To show the absurdity of Christian claims, obviously. For example, Jesus never referred to himself as a god. Actually quite the opposite.

 

you said this.

am I to assume you don't have eyes well that's a weird assumption to request of me

Life isn't fair.

so you're trying to question people to ridicule them to feel better about yourself.

Just accept your choice and move on.

I'm sorry you're so terrible at that objective.

The best way to reach people is to talk to them where they are. Not speak down to them as though you're somehow more intelligent. Not just to make you come off and put unpleasant to talk to and that shuts people off from you.

So really it's just to get attaboy's from other people that agree with you already it's not to change anyone's mind.

You're just being a keyboard warrior.


Nobody respects the actually guy. Don't be this if you expect to get anywhere.

 

And that's why Jesus ignored his parents and family who didn't believe that he was a prophet (Mark 3:31-35 Matt 13:57)

But do you have any evidence that Jesus actually existed, and didn't have a biological father, and therefore didn't have a Y chromosome, and/or was haploid as claimed by Ron Wyatt.

 

Is that more Christian logic?

In the Christian world - yes. Not in the real world.

No, I want to give you a chance to "bring me back" to Christianity.
And yes, because I am also mad about some Christians who have been crying out loud 'Jesus is coming soon. Jesus is coming soon' for the last few years. What they don't probably know is that Jesus said 'I'm coming soon' almost 2000 years ago in the Revelation of St. John. And yet, no Jesus in sight. Talk about soon.

Who said I wanna change your mind?

Well I guess I am. No different than any Christian scholar who spends his life in a library and jumping to big conclusions about religion and God.

Well, it is what it is. I don't expect people to respect me.

 

no it's trying to understand your statement of if they have eyes to see.

You don't explain it because it was stupid and you shouldn't have said it.

so you think life is fair? I guess when a little girl gets raped she just deserves that in your world.

first why would I try? Second I can't.

That's a choice for you to make.

so you're taking out your anger on anyone who chooses to talk to you other than the people it's directed at.

I'm sorry you're such a miserable person I wish you the best with that.

why would you want me to try and bring you back. You're clearly holding a grudge against a deity you don't even believe in.

Again I'm sorry you're dealing with this.

I don't think that's your motive at all. I think you want to feel better about yourself. And belittling other people for what they believe and gives you their impression that they're lower than you so therefore you feel higher.

Again I'm sorry you're suffering.

no you're not.

so you post here to the abused?

Is this why you're so intent on responding to me because I'm not going to abuse you?

 

OK, let's sort this out, buddy.

See the logic thread there?
You brought forward Matthew 7:7-8 (ask and you shall receive, knock and you will enter), I said it is a matter of interpretation and you said 'it is what it is'. Yeah, it is what it is - vague. That's why I said "it is for the ones who have the eyes to see it', THE INTERPRETATION. Obviously this is not to be taken literally. And I gave you examples of cases when people don't receive what they ask for. That makes Jesus either a liar or we should seek for a hidden meaning of his vague words. Because the literal reading is nothing but a false promise, a lie. You don't think your God Jesus is a liar, doncha?

So if life is not fair, who is to blame? I say the Creator and Director of all this unfair BS. A product is a responsibility of the producer/manufacturer.
Your ideas?

Thanks, I appreciate it. Although I don't think I am a miserable person just because I debunk Christianity as a mind control Institute.

We already agreed that it is you that have to come down from his high horse. Don't see me in the mirror.

And why not? Just because monks in the Middle Ages didn't have keyboards?

You said so. You make claims, then debunk them. It's called "a straw man".

 

No.

that was intentional.

can I get an amen!

or just forget the whole thing and go do something productive with your life I told you I'm not really interested in having a conversation with you about this that's why I'm being fake that's why it's intentional.

I'm not answering your questions have you noticed I don't do that I just trick you into reading Bible verses.
It's funny.

it is what it is.

If you feel that way that's you you can go not be Christian that's cool.

so you're going to go blame some god you don't believe in? That's a little silly don't you think?

so you believe in God but you're just ticked off at him

I don't wish to express any

why would you need to debunk Christianity for yourself you said you're not Christian.

It's more about yourself than it is about others? I know Tristan and you haven't debunked a ****ing thing from my perspective you're pissed off that God isn't the genie that grants her every wish I mean okay if that's what it takes for you to believe in something I'm sorry. I'm not that ridiculous so there's there's that there's that.

we didn't agree that's just some weird comment you said because you feel like you're being talked down to.

I didn't mean to give you that impression I'm just not going to participate in the conversation the way you want me to. Matthew 7:6.

you said you were no different I was agreeing with you. You really want me to argue with you. But I'm not going to.

Lol.

Oh that wasn't a claim it was a question you can tell by the ? At the end.

You don't have to answer that's okay.

 

He said he had to return to the Father. He conferred his spirit, the gift of the Holy Ghost on his people by the power of the holy priesthood which he held. Therefore he is with them always, even though he is away. A secular equivalent might be calling friends, family, or dialing 911.

 

Ultimately .. ... they do have separate will - as per the word of the Logos on more than 100 occasions in clear unambiguous language even unto his last breath. "My God My God - why have you forsaken me" cries Jesus. Is Jesus calling out to himself ? -- in some kind of masochistic delirium did Jesus forget that he was almighty God the Father .. is that what you are telling us a 1st century reader believed on reading or hearing the story in mark for the first time ?

Why does Jesus curse/blame this God ? have you not read the story or just havn't thought about it ? what is the beef Jesus has with his God .. and why have you moved the goal post to "one in spirit" which is a completely different thing than having the same will at all times. Two people who are separate individuals with separate minds ... separate will can be one in spirit.

Answer the question .. Why is Jesus upset with his God in his dying breath ? .. not complicated .. just turn the page back and copy the answer from the book .. as this is an open book test ?

John 1 btw is a complete misinterpretation on your part .... the Author is not claiming Jesus is God .. although he is claiming one in spirit .. perhaps the basis of confusion. Also .. John 1 is an interpretive nightmare .. many different interpretations possible .. yours not being one of them however .. .. the vagueness being problematic but mainly .. the fact that the passage itself is a misinterpretation .. borderline Pious fraud .. definitely artistic license- dogma driven non the part of the modern translator.

Question 2. What is the proper translation fore the phrase "The Word" .. in all three instances .. again an open book test but your probably going to have to open a fair number of them .. other than the Bible .. to figure this one out --what a 2cnd Century reader thinks of this passage ? remember that .. this is not about what you think .. but what the 2cnd century author and reader thinks .. and do not fail to notice that in the first question is a 1st century reader

 

Secular equivalent my backside .. how are you going to return to your family .. if you don't know the address, the family name, nor any other identifiers that might distinguish the family house from that of Lord Ha Satan, Lord J, Lord Y, God E, God JE ?

Which is the your family home friend .... which is the Father of Jesus .. the one he wishes to return ?

funny how folks do not think Jesus was capable of Sarcasm and allegory and other figures of speech given he spoke in parables half the time .. for example when he calls "The Father" of the Pharisees the Devil .. Did Jesus just call YHWH the Devil ? Most likely but this requires "The Father" of the Pharisees to be different than "The Father" of Jesus.

When Jesus claims to be one with the Father .. again one in spirit .. having the same goal .. in the case of Jesus to bring to the world Gods Word .. Jesus being a physical representation of "God's Word" and so in this instance .. Jesus is God's word.. but this doesn't mean that Jesus is claiming to be God .. his Father. He is claiming to be God's word .. "The Logos" emissary between man and God .. not using the term Logos .. instead of word a monster mistranslation but that another story.

"The Word was God" .. Yes The Logos was the physical representation of God's word .. but that don't make Jesus The Father.

 

Perhaps I wasn't clear. A secular equivalent of prayer to God might be calling loved ones for counsel or dialing 911 for emergencies. With God of course it is a matter of salvation and how to live in the world without being of the world.

 

Clear as a bell friend -- what wasn't clear about the idea that if you don't know the name or the number or identity of the loved one .. your call will not go through .. not be received .. not be answered.

Same stumbling block over and over aye mate .. If you don't know the name of the God you are praying to .. nor the identity .. nor the address .. nor the number .. you might as well be shouting to the wind .. making the wind your God .. prayer received at least now that you have identified your God and "The Word" of that God.

This is the problem - you have no idea what the word of God is.. can not identify it .. do not know its location .. address .. or phone number -- and if you can't hear the word of God ... how are you going to receive God's word .. when she answers your prayer ?

And so .. .we have a bit of a "What's the point of robbery when nothing is worth Taking" problem .. "Stand and Deliver" -- Adam and the Ants

 

We can end it there, I guess. Good buy.

 

Indeed.

Indeed.

Indeed.