Why are Progressives ignoring overpopulation?

Dude, I never said access to birth control was the only issue in overpopulation, you and at least one other seem fixed on it...

Again, your police analogy is silly. If you don't have anything else, than get something because arguing that is simply ignorant.. You pay for the service, not the act.. If you can't understand the difference you really shouldn't use police as an example..

Everyone having easy access matters little when only a small percentage actually take advantage of the service... Simple really..

 

I'm not upset, I find it silly to try and claim paying for a police force is somehow like handing out free birth control...

I disagree with your non-solution of free birth control, because it costs money that could be better spent, and amounts to putting a band aid on a bleeding artery... What you suppose is not a solution, the problem will still remain. People will still be having children irresponsibly...

 

Why not end our free abstinence only education?

Only the right believes that appealing to ignorance is better than appealing to Perfect Knowledge.

 

Where is "abstinence only" taught in public schools? Last I heard, they teach sex education, which was endorsed and pushed by the left, so if you have issues with that being taught take it up with the left..

The rest of your post was partisan baiting, and I don't limit myself to simply "right or left" so it really doesn't bother me what you think of either side.

 

Another supposed the police analogy, and you affirmed it a couple times now.. If not why mention it? Here #111 and here, #122 and again in the post I'm responding to.. You keep making the connection, so if you aren't making some kind of analogy why all the talk? Dude, your question is in fact trying to justify handing out free birthcontrol by implying the police force at least at one time was somehow similar... It' wasn't, and isn't, and it's a silly claim to try and make, you know this which is why you deny trying to make the connection, despite making the connection..

LOL, no dude you are obsessed with arguing for it.. So you tell me how important you feel it is. Seriously make up your mind already.. You are arguing for it incessantly, it has been your chief point in this entire discussion, and yet now you claim you aren't saying it's the only factor.. Okay fine, I agree, so what are your other factors then? You haven't named any others, so again it's your issues here.. MAke up your mind..

And as to the rest of your post, all I can say is what are you rambling about? You just spent posts arguing just one factor,and then you claim you never said it was the only factor. You also tried to make a strange connection using some kind of twisted logic that paying for a police force is like paying for free birthcontrol, only to deny doing it... Seriously man, you are seeming angrier and less coherent by the post..

 

Dude you are pretending that handing out free birth control makes irresponsible people responsible.... No I'm afraid not, all you will do is waste money..

I told you what it would take, and no where did I say anything would be perfect... You are trying to pay for an ideal, and many are trying to legislate us into an ideal. It won't work, it never will work, and never has worked. It's an ideal for a reason. It's something to strive for, you can legislate it into a reality, and you can't pay for it. It comes in time and it evolves into a society. You try and legislate an ideal, you get people feeling controlled or strong armed into something, and then resistance. If you try and pay for it, you get people who will take your money, say all the right things and then do whatever they want anyway..

You can't buy people out of the kind of behavior and decisions that put them into their situation, and you can't legislate them out of it either..People grow, adapt and evolve into and out of behavior and patterns, over time and under conditions that benefit the change. They don't change because you pay for them to do it, and they don't change because you legislate a demand for it..

 

I didn't ask, I pointed out the marked duality in you statements.. First you try and support the claim, then you say you aren't supporting the claim, despite the fact you still are..So either you do support the claim or analogy or you don't, saying you don't while trying to prove it's validity by asking an irrelevant question over and over, is showing one or the other claim is false..

And whether or not you claim it is the only factor is irrelevant, when all you do is preach for that one factor... Is any of this sinking in yet?

I don't have to prove a negative, you maintain that giving people free birth control will make a noticeable difference in unwanted births.. So it lies with you prove that.. WHy should I try and prove your claim wrong, it's your claim, you prove it..I point to the evidence that planned parenthood already hands out free contraception, and yet no major drop in unwanted births, so my point is made..

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An improvement sure, how about one that actually makes a dent and doesn't waste money we can't afford?

 

In my short few decades on Earth, and thinking back at all the places I have lived or attended school or vacationed, every location has grown from reasonable population to over-population and working towards ludicrous population. These are places like Los Angeles, Phoenix, San Francisco, Seattle, San Diego, islands of Hawaii, California Baja Mexico, greater Miami, all of which have become over-crowded and IMO undesirable. Even the rural and rolling vineyard areas of Sonoma County where I have lived for some time are fast becoming over-populated. I remember 30 years ago a critical news article in Phoenix warning everyone they are running out of potable water...the population of that area has probably doubled since that warning. In my state of CA we have freeways with 6-8 lanes in both directions and they are a parking lot most of the time; it is impossible to expand these freeways to 12-16 lanes in each direction! The nation is basically broke and projects like building a parallel Golden Gate Bridge are unthinkable due to costs. And, population growth outside of the USA is a problem as well for the USA since we all share the finite resources and atmosphere of this rock called Earth. I think in the last 40 years the US population has increased by about 80 million and it's predicted to reach 400 million by 2050...or sooner.

I think each of us needs to develop an awareness of the effects of population growth and do what we can do to be better stewards of the nation and Earth, however, I also think any appreciable move in this direction is going to take many decades or perhaps 100 years or more. So the only question IMO is how bumpy is the ride into 2050 and 3000 going to be...

 

It may depend on the contraceptive device; IUDs are very cost effective.

 

"Cost effective" is a very dubious term.. How "cost effective".. I am pretty sure they have to be administered by doctors, and quite a few people simply cannot use them due to the side effects.. There is a lot more to this than you seem to think..

 

Special pleading doesn't do much for any argument; some IUDs are good for five or ten years after implantation.

 

unfortunately nothing will be done, no politician will tackle the issue...there will be a time where population growth, climate change and dwindling resources all reach a critical tipping point at the same time...when that will be I couldn't say but fortunately for me I'll be dead....

 

Over population merely means a lack of infrastructure in modern economic times.

 

What does "special pleading" imply here? The fact is many people cannot use them, and its not an insignificant amount either. Something like 17-20% If I understand it correctly. And again it takes a doctor to insert them and one to take them out, and continued visits for the duration to ensure there is no complications like pelvic inflammatory disease...

 

The fact also is that many more women can use them, and for them IUDs are very cost effective.

 

But can have difficulties

The world actually needs cheaper, more effective and above all MALE friendly contraceptives - time for the boys to do their bit

 

IUDs may be able to do a better job than any oral contraceptive, at a much lower cost over the lifetime of the device.

 

I believe we will see some challenging times before we kick the bucket. The reason IMO is that in so many areas the US teeters on the threshold of the abyss. A major natural disaster, a major terrorist event, the meltdown of a nuclear facility, rising price of oil/gasoline, critical drought, another stupid and ignorant war, climbing federal debt, US currency replaced by other world currency, trade war which disrupts exports/imports, and on and on and on...

 

Only the right believes in soothsaying doomsdays for free; the left is willing to insist on doomsday tax rates for it.

 

The problems which face us today are not rooted in 'right and left'...they are rooted in people too stupid to do better...

 

Why is it so difficult to convince our federal Congress to simply solve the exigencies of our Union in a market friendly manner even with the resources of our republic at their disposal and an official Mint at their disposal, especially under our form of alleged Capitalism?