Why are you pro-life/pro-choice/undecided?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Pasithea, Nov 12, 2013.

  1. Cady

    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That would be an extreme case. Even in the unlikely event a woman would want an abortion in the third trimester, there are only four providers in the country who do late term abortions, and they would still have to consider ethical standards.
     
  2. Pasithea

    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Honestly I believe it is one of the most evil things to want to force a child to go through 9 months of pregnancy with her rapist's baby and then go through the pain and agony of giving birth to it, thus traumatizing her all over again, because once more her vagina is being violated against her will. Evil and sick. Yes, it most absolutely is punishment to make any girl or woman suffer through that.
     
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    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

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    What if she couldn't decide in the first two trimesters whether or not to have an abortion (due to emotional distress reasons)? Is it evil and sick to deny the girl the right to a third trimester abortion?
     
  4. Pasithea

    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Is that really all you have? You can't argue against first and second trimester abortions so all you have left up your sleeves are third trimesters to whine about? The minimal 1% done for health reasons...really? That's just so pathetic. Go troll somewhere else Sam. Seriously.
     
  5. AmericanNationalist

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    I honestly think it's dubious to instantly compare the child to her rapist. The child itself didn't want to be born via rape, it didn't want to "violate" a woman's womb.
    There've been some stories after all that a woman chose to have her child after being raped and some of those stories go on to say the child was a blessing in her life.

    That said, in the case of rape/incest(then again, if a couple willingly had an incestous relationship. I'd say why not? It's not any more or less immoral than gays IMO. The case of 'retardation' is slightly higher but still statistically improbable) I support the right of a woman to have an abortion.

    I just find it a flimsy reason, an understandable one but flimsy IMO. I admit, this is coming from a man's mentality but if I were impregnated as the result of a sexual assault, I couldn't compare the child to the rapist. I'd be mad as hell at the rapist. The kid did nothing. Blaming the kid is like blaming the germs that you got sick, and not the bastard that sneezed on you.
     
  6. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    I suppose it comes down to which do you feel more compassion for, the woman who was forced to undergo penetration, quite probably with threats of death if she did not comply who finds out after that ordeal that she is pregnant, who will then have to see the effect that rapist had on her, not only mentally and physically at the time of the rape .. but is still having on her on a physical level after, or a fetus that has no capability to understand anything . .not even it's own death.

    Personally I know where my greater compassion lies.

    BTW, please don't come back with the weak argument about "oh so its ok to kill people who are in a coma, or [insert relevant condition here], to do so would be intellectually dishonest.
     
  7. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    I feel compassion for both. Life, all life begets an opportunity no matter what way it came about. I was born out of wedlock, (*)(*)(*)(*) my mom still doesn't know who my father is(or even my sister's). Forget wedlock, she didn't even have a relationship with the guys she slept with (thankfully my grandmother took care of me from infanthood on).

    You'd argue, especially if I'm facing economic difficulties that I'm better off being aborted(and we're all fetuses and we still ALL engage in that basic premise of multiplying our cells(well, our body does anyway). But here's the kicker: Who's to say the prospective me that eventually gets born, is born into a better life? There's no guarantee..

    Life is a matter of chance, and micromanaging that chance while "moral" in the sense of wanting to prepare a better life for a child, is equally immoral in denying a child an opportunity at said life because you may believe you might not be ready for it, or it might not be the best time for the child.

    The best way to do real "family planning" is to prepare for your career, before opening your legs(for both men and women). And to choose our domestic partners wisely and carefully.

    And in the case of rape, it's truly tragic and in that case I do support a woman's right to choose. Ideologically I wish she'd see that the fetus is fundamentally different from the culprit.
     
  8. Pasithea

    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    He's not arguing that at all. You are making this debate too personal and inserting yourself into it and treating it as though some people here actively want to see you aborted. First off, you cannot be aborted because you have already been born. Second of all pro-choicers do not argue to force or coerce any woman into an abortion, we believe that decision should remain solely with her. We are simply not interested in forcing women to gestate and give birth, nor are we interested in forcing them to abort. We want to take the forceful/coercive factor out of the situation entirely and allow women to make their own choices regarding their reproduction.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    I just refer you to Pasithea's excellent response, I could not have said it any better.
     
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    I am not a fan of abortion and I myself believe it is wrong but I also think it wrong to make others bend to your belief.
     
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    To quote american nationalist.

     
  12. diamond lil

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    Yes, certainly. I'm sure it happens, too.

    I know of a 12 year old girl who became pregnant by her brother, who had started creeping into her bedroom and having sex with her when he was released from prison.

    She had an abortion in the third trimester, as soon as the pregnancy was discovered.

    I don't know about you, but it was the life of the 12 year old that mattered to me. I think she'd suffered enough without going through the trauma of giving birth to her brother's child.
     

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