Why beat around the bush? ..take a giant step to eliminate crime

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    metypea1 Banned Donor

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    This idea is admittedly pretty radical. Let me bounce this off the wall anyway.

    If you get arrested for a misdemeanor, anywhere in the USA, you're going to be fingerprinted. If you get arrested for a felony, a few States will then take your DNA and add it to the database, but I believe most places wait until you're actually convicted before doing that. I believe some even wait until you've finished your prison sentence and then finally take your DNA upon release. The fifty States each have their unique protocols. It's no secret that nowadays most horrible crimes are solved by the use of DNA so let's just make peoples' DNA profiles readily and uniformly available through Federal law. I feel that DNA profiles should go into the master database for every newborn starting at the maternity ward. It could serve as a substantial deterrent to future crimes because we would likely see major crimes getting solved a lot more quickly (eventually, after years' delay of course, whilst the database expands). Opinions?
     
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    the dna database should certainly contain every citizen and immigrant inside the country.
     
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    I'm more in line with fining people for non-violent misdemeanors and keeping violent felons behind bars. Anyone using weapons to commit crimes should not have easy bonds. As far as keeping a DNA data bank, that seems a little overreach. It's not like I'm not in the national database as far as finger prints and security related personal info, but I took that gov job voluntarily.

    Oh and end the war on drugs, banning things is pointless.
     
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    I would support a 'birth DNA database'. It's no different than the hospital taking a footprint of a newborn. It's no different when a cop stops you and asks for your ID. Sell something to a pawn shop and they take your fingerprint. Some banks require a thumb print before cashing a check. Join the military and they fingerprint you. And there are cameras in many public places and most people carry a cell phone/camera. BUT -- once you catch a criminal you got to keep them locked up and not release them back into society so they can prey on the innocent law-abiding citizens again. Or execute tham. Along with a DNA database I would insist on long mandatory jail time or the death penalty for all crimes. Bring back lethal injection in all states.
    Remember Richard Speck, In one day he murdered 8 student nurses -- He once remarked, "If they knew how much fun I have in prison they would release me."
     
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    that might be a violation of the 4th amendment. However, given technology, it is possible that the many people who volunteered their DNA to obtain their "ancestry profile" like at Ancestry.com and other sites.

    But it won't stop crime though.
     
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    This

    I totally agree with some exceptions. We need to quit harassing people over stupid ass stuff and get a lot tougher with worse crimes. But, we need to quit with the repeat offender stuff, even for small crimes. Why should we let people break into homes 10 - 20 times and continue letting people out to break into yet more homes? I would be in favor of getting known violent felons who have been released for lesser crimes that we would let others go on. And, if someone clearly shows us that their only goal in life is to be a repeated criminal then we should give them free room and board for the rest of their lives. And, as you said, we need to get tougher on violent felons including bail and sentencing. Three strikes and your out as a felon. If you are a felon caught with a gun, that's automatically three strikes also. If we kept the violent ones behind bars then DNA wouldn't be so important. I'm afraid the DNA thing just has too much possibility for being abused or even hacked into by bad actors.
     
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    I concur. If you got released from prison just to quickly and lethally rearm yourself, then good riddance forever.
     
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    You know, in Texas, it is legal for some felons to obtain firearms legally. 10th amendment violation or the extreme interpretation of the 2a?
     
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    I don't know those exact circumstances but my main thought is I don't want to hear any gun control crap from the left until after we keep these known dangerous people locked up. Liberal justices let them out on bail, sometimes with very low or zero bail, give them light sentences, let them out early from their sentences, and we keep on letting them back out after other sentences, time and time and time again, even when these felons have been out and arrested for being a felon in possession of a firearm. Until the left quit doing that, I'm against even talking about any form of gun control. My thought is that if we do this we wouldn't even need to talk about gun control. But, if we do do these things and still have problems, we can at least talk about gun control. BUT Democrats always talk about "common sense" gun control and yet almost every time we have a mass shooting, the common sense gun control policies they talk about wouldn't have even prevented that mass shooting.
     
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    We could just put everyone in jail at birth and only let them out after they prove they are an upstanding citizen.
     
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    Just put a tracking chip inside each and every person.
    NOTE: I am not one that wants to track each and every individual in the country. A right to privacy and all the constitutional stuff.
     
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    " That all depends on what the meaning of the word 'Crime' is ... "
     
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    A. It is called evidence. If a crime is committed, and it is homicide, homicide detectives will handle the case per local jurisdiction. In some cases, state police and/or federal law enforcement will also assist, like the Moscow, Idaho murders.
    B. Everyone is presumed innocent until they are found guilty, which means, under general circumstances, bail can be established. In rare circumstances, and under state or federal law, can bail be denied, but that would have to mean extreme measures or extreme circumstances.
    C. Even in China, where police are literally everywhere and nearly 8000 plus DP being performed every year, crime still occurs even in the most heavily policed areas, including violent ones.
    D. Gun control is a separate topic, but you cannot ignore that the availability of firearms is everywhere. Even I know where you can purchase a firearm in my state, legally, and not have to go through background checks and have it fully automatic as your firearm. You might be surprised who does this type of thing and it is not at some gun show.
    E. What separates us from the rest of the world is our judicial system IMO. but even that has limits if you have money and power and prestige where a totally different set of rules apply.
     
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    D. we have a second amendment. Are you in favor of taking guns away?

    E. Our biggest problem right now is with liberal policies of letting known dangerous people out after committing serious crimes, sometimes with zero bail. We also give them light sentences. We also let them out early. We also let these people out numerous times after being arrested numerous times. And, even if they are a felon arrested with a gun, we let them right back out. Yes, there are different rules depending on your status in life. If you're rich you have to put up bail. If you are poor you can get let out on zero bail. And, if you are black, you have it easier because lefties don't want blacks incarcerated at a higher rate than their population percentage, even if they commit crimes higher than their population percentage.
     
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