Why do anti gun extremists hate stories about self defense

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  1. bobobrazil

    bobobrazil Well-Known Member

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    statistic say higher suicide rates and domestic abuse deaths, but i understand the connection of gun love of people who live in country areas, i just have lived in a city environment my whole life, and some day the rest of the country will grow up and mature
     
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    We're letting them do it now.
     
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    Does that mean that urban dwellers will move to the country?
     
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    But that's a bad thing, right?
     
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    It sure is.
     
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    no, i have said i was robbed, and there is no way i was prepared for the suddenty of the robbery, i have watched dozens of online videos of gun supporters who cannot hide their "GLee" when shooting, it means people will develop more maturity hopefully, for myself keeping a better eye on my surrounding will suffice
     
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    Enjoying shooting sports is immature?
     
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    somewhat the videos all show giggling and whoopee shouting
     
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    That's how people enjoy sports. Have you ever been to a baseball game or football game? Lots of whoopee and shouting.
     
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    the constitution guarantees health and welfare and the pursuit of happiness, and that would seem in my opinion to overrule gun enthusiasm, the two "rights" seem to be clashing and will eventually be addressed properly
     
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    The Constitution guarantees none of these.

    If my pursuit of happiness requires that I own a machine gun, why can't I have one?
     
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    My guns are very well behaved. They have never hurt anyone at all. They have brought joy by providing a great hobby.
     
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    ah the attitude that people who are treated as irresponsible children by their government and don't think they are mature enough to own the same weapons that the civilian government is willing to use against them, is a more "enlightened" attitude than the self reliant views of us gun owners. Freedom is what mature people want-nanny state is what control freaks and perpetual children crave
     
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    bullshit-you need to actually read the constitution and some books written about it. owning a gun in no way interferes with anything other than the fragile psyches of control freaks
     
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    No, it's predicated on having a well regulated militia at the ready.

    What the Second Amendment Says
    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
     
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    so, when on uses the term, gun banners, they are simply being emotional on the topic.
    Since there's no bans.
     
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    The Supreme Court, in HELLER v US stated categorically that the reference to a "well regulated militia" in the 2d Amendment in no way restricts or limits the right of a citizen to own and operate a firearm. Your opinion is just that... your opinion. The decision of the Supreme Court in HELLER... is LAW.
     
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    I never said it did.
    I merely stated, gun/arms ownership is predicated on 2A.
    My opinion is 2A.
    Society determines if there's any infringements on the 2A. Like we have with claymore or automatic weapons infringements.
     
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    Americans can still legally own "claymore or automatic weapons".
     
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    Claymores are now outlawed by international agreements... crazy.
     
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    You CAN own an automatic weapon if you get a Class III license. That requires a more extensive background check, more time to process and some additional cost. I have no desire to own an automatic weapons for a number of reasons including the increased ammunition costs and the limited benefit of "spray and pray". Its much better to aim carefully with a semi-auto. This was demonstrated in the Falkland Islands War where the Brits had semi-auto weapons and the Argentinians had full auto. The Brits won and many of the Argentinian forces ran out of ammo.

    Claymores are outlawed by international agreement now. Even the military cannot use them.

    Texas has declared itself a "sanctuary state" for the 2d amendment in much the same way as California and other states have declared themselves sanctuary states for immigration. California will not enforce federal immigration laws and now Texas will not enforce federal firearms laws. We're still trying to figure out how this will work. In order to maintain the ability to sell firearms you need an FFL (Federal Firearms License) so background checks will remain in force. Bit the first test will be concerning silencers. Right now you need a Class III license to own a silencer. Under Texas' new law, if a silencer is made wholly within Texas, then it is not subject to the Class III federal requirement. Many folks are watching to see how this works out.
     
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    The USG has changed its mind about that under Biden. Smart move -- AP land mines are a necessity.

    https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/2071692/landmine-policy/

    Beyond that citizens can own explosive devices if they pay the tax.
    In countries where they are banned, like Sweden, grenades are often given away with purchases of machine-guns and other banned weapons as a sales incentive.

    Criminals can always get anything the want.
    There is apparently always an Alice's Restaurant for those who look for one.
     
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    IMO, all of the firearm regulations are counterproductive.

    I have not used a firearm since the military, but if I did I would buy a suppressor to save what is left of my hearing. They are apparently legal in 42 states.

    https://www.silencercentral.com/blog/suppressor-laws/
     
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    Claymores are banned by international treaty if detonated by the victim, as in a tripwire. Command detonated use is allowed.
     
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    We are wary of getting a suppressor since it requires a Class III license. Getting on a federal "list" like that could result in FBI teams coming through your window these days as Biden "weaponizes" the DOJ.
     
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