Why do they let birthers keep going with Obama's Birth Certificate?

Nobody cares if you have us on ignore. We aren't posting to change your mind. We are posting to make sure someone reading this thread understands how utterly retarded birthers are and that every single one of their claims has been thoroughly and systematically demolished.

In your case, you and appuzzo made up a definition for natural born citizen and you are trying to insert a 3rd type of citizen into US law. You have been repeatedly proven wrong on those 2 points using Supreme Court rulings.

 

what an interesting juxtaposition!

 

oh... sorry...

for the conservative mouth breathers on here:

jux·ta·po·si·tion
ˌjəkstəpəˈziSH(&#601n/
noun
the fact of two things being seen or placed close together with contrasting effect.
"the juxtaposition of these two images"

 

Would that be everyone in the United States except the couple dozen Birthers who believe your 'super Sekrit' natural born citizen invention?

 

IF that law said what Birthers seem to think it says- then the only natural born citizens would be those born outside the United States to citizen parents.

And every one of our President's born after the revolution would have been ineligible.

Birthers are idiots.

 

I don't think he's gonna answer you Jeff.... he thinks we rely on insults too much and that we can't debate honestly.

No... really... that is what he thinks.

 

he doesn't seem to understand basic English grammar enough to know what the COLON means that follows "natural born citizen".... he got it into his head that the paragraph did, in fact, support his birther view of the world, and, even after it was very carefully explained to him that that is not the case, all he can really do now is stick his fingers in his ears and yell really loudly and pretend he didn't hear what we were saying.

 

Millions of people have entered this country without any paperwork.

Well the computer-generated one created on July 25, 2011 certainly is not valid.

And white democrats.

One zillion and three.

He has seen the original vital records. You are proving my point. He didn't say the birth certificate. Plus, that was 2 years before they released the long form birth certificate.

It's pre-altered on the White House website.

The point being that nobody has been allowed to examine these documents to authenticate them. The one posted on the website has been proven by experts to be a fraud.

They never said there was a birth certificate on file. They have only said original documents or some other wording. They have parsed their words carefully so as not to answer direct questions. If people have doubts, it is because nobody has gotten straight answers from them. The fact that you cannot produce direct quotes from any of them saying, "I have seen the original Hawaiian birth certificate of Barack Obama issued by the State of Hawaii in 1961" is further proof of my point.

See what I mean? "Original vital records"? What is that? His shot records? Why didn't he just say birth certificate?

Let's not forget that the birth certificate issue originated with the Hillary campaign, so democrats are the original "birthers".

I personally am not a birther, I am a skeptic. I agree that the 2011 image is definitely a forgery.

The two hard copies shown to reporters also are proved forgeries, as they were generated from the computer-generated PFD posted online and NOT the other way around. The ones she saw were cropped, the PFD was not.

Yes, they are either forgeries or they don't exist.

 

Obama FLEW on an aircraft from Indonesia to Hawaii in 1971.. He didn't walk across the Mexican border. So no.... he didn't enter the country illegally.. You have never been anywhere, have you?

 

nor is it required to be

"vital records" is the term that professionals use when discussing the record of birth on file with the state. It WAS two years before the public release. It was well after the uproar from the birther mobius strip started.

it was authenticated by the state official tasked with such duties.

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Do you, personally, have a passport?

have you ever travelled outside the Continental United States?

just curious

 

Yes, I've been to South Korea and Japan and Guam, and I've never had a passport. Just my military ID.

 

For the one zillion and forth time, the point being nobody has authenticated the fake one posted by the White House.
I have traveled many time. I lived in Japan for three year. I never had a passport. I did have to provide a copy of my original birth certificate to get my travel document, a military ID.

 

and again and again and again... nobody cares but birthers! The document on the white house website is irrelevant. period. It does not prove or disprove anything. It does not NEED to be authenticated. The ONLY document that needs to be authenticated has been authenticated by the Hawaiian state officials whose job it is to do exactly that.

marine in Okinawa? the only way you "traveled many time[sic]" without a passport was while you were in the service. one hitch? E-4 or 5? Right?

 

I am a veteran, not a marine. Why you people have to make this personal all the time just because you can't win the argument is ridiculous.

 

That's what I figured....

 

The rest of your post has been refuted already so I'm going to focus on this claim. Hilary Clinton nor her campaign started the birther movement. The issue was first brought up on the right wing trash blog "free republic" in March of 2008.

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Proven lie.

proven lies.

 

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The one created in April 2011 certainly is.

 

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The State of Hawaii confirmed that the BC shown by the White House is the certified photocopy they provided.
The State of Hawaii has confirmed that they have seen and verified the BC on file and that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

You cannot- and will not accept that.

You are exactly who Dr. Fukino was speaking of

No matter what state officials release on the issue, the "birthers" are going to question it, said Fukino. "They&#8217;re going to question the ink on which it was written or say it was fabricated," said Fukino. "The whole thing is silly."

Birther is your name- embrace your Birtherism.

 

Post after post, none of you have produced any certified document expert who is willing to say that the fraudulent computer-generated birth certificate posted on the White House website is authentic. Because of this I am more convinced than ever that it is indeed a fraud.

 

and post after post after post after post you continue to attempt to make the case that the computer generated document has any relevance as to the place of the president's birth. Why IS that?

 

If you are convinced of fraud inspite of all the crackpot errors you assumed, then you are most definitely a birther,

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If you are convinced of fraud inspite of all the crackpot errors you assumed, then you are most definitely a birther,

 

You are convinced because you are a gullible Birther.

 

Proven lie

 

I frankly do not understand the convoluted conspiracy theories of Birthers.

What do we know- beyond a reasonable doubt?

We know the original birth certificate for Barack Obama is on file in Hawaii- and it says that he was born in Hawaii.

We know this in multiple ways- more than we know for virtually any other American.

a) The 2008 State issued birth certificate says he was born in Hawaii- the physical legal document was inspected by reporters at Obama's campaign HQ in Chicago.
b) The 2011 State issued certified photocopy of his birth certificate says that he was born in Hawaii. Reporters saw and inspected the two hard copies created by Hawaii for the President.
Either of the above documents are legal as proof of place and date of birth for any purpose.
c) Director of Health Dr. Fukino confirmed officially- and unofficially that she had personally seen the original birth certificate on file- and that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. Dr. Fukino is a Republican, who was appointed by the Republican Governor of Hawaii- who happened to be the Hawaii campaign chairperson for Obama's presidential opponent, John McCain.
d) Director of Health Fuddy, who was appointed by the next (Democratic) governor- very specifically and elaborately confirmed that the White House had posted a copy of the certified photocopy that Hawaii gave the President- and that the original is on file- and that President Obama was born in Hawaii.
e) Alvin Onaka- the Registrar of Records of Hawaii- an award winning record keeping professional- and civil servant- witnessed the photocopying of the BC, and subsequently confirmed to several Secretaries of States that the information on the BC was correct.
f) All of this matches the birth index information on file and available to the public in Hawaii.
g) All of this matches the birth announcements posted in two Hawaiian newspapers in 1961.

Birthers have claimed from the beginning that the 2008 BC was false- and that they would only believe a photocopy of the BC with a doctors signature.
Dr. Fukino so accurately predicted that Birthers would never accept any BC- and she was right.

When a photocopy of the original BC was released- and authenticated by Hawaii- showing the signature of the doctor- Birthers immediately denounced it as a fraud.

Birthers are like Truthers and Moon Landing Fraudsters- there is no evidence which will convince them of what they have decided is true.

 

Nevermind an actual law enforcement agency has determined it to be a fraud: