Why Do Trump Supporters Not Want Medicare For All?

Im sure it would, initially.

Though it would also be cheaper to let hospitals refuse to treat me if I can't pay.

But the bottom line is: what is it that leads you to believe healthcare will remain cheaper once we're all mandated to buy it? We don't have a very good track record of keeping our govt honest, frugal or even well-intentioned. Its not a question of if the government will (be used to) abuse a healthcare mandate, but when.

 

Everyone will pay more taxes, have less money to spend, and get less medical treatment. How are you going to pay for the guy(s) that decide they want a physical every week?

 

I've heard some advocate this before and it's unacceptable to me. Poverty shouldn't be a barrier to health care. We need to come up with some way to guarantee health care. I don't have a solution, and I certainly accept that it won't be free, but something needs to be there.

 

Typically, the supplemental plan pays the 20% not paid for by Medicare.

 

Please dont edit my comments for content. If you want to draw attention to a particular portion, emboldenning, italicising and underlining are great ways to do that without decontextualizing my comments.

 

Because government healthcare sucks - bigly.

 

that's what I meant to say, iow: there would not be a need for a supplement/carve out if medicare was 100%.

 

I thought something was already being done.

https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/p...-enrollment-data/report-highlights/index.html

 

Put it in an Amendment in the Constitution that if it don't work out just like you say, if it's not Shangri La and if you have less money or service is bad and wait times long, that the congresspersons and senators who vote for it must be hung by the neck until dead and I'll support it.

 

I've heard some advocate this before and it's unacceptable to me. Poverty shouldn't be a barrier to health care. We need to come up with some way to guarantee health care. I don't have a solution, and I certainly accept that it won't be free, but something needs to be there.

If our cynicism has reached a place where we believe that it's pointless to even try to have our government "do the right thing" because we know that they never will, then what's the point of discussion? I honestly don't care if it's a single payer system, it it's private healthcare funded through taxation when necessary … if it's neighbors helping neighbors out. We need to come up with some way to reign in the cost of health care and to guarantee that it's available to everyone.

I honestly don't understand the attitudes of those who essentially say that a person should be forced (in some cases) to choose between bankruptcy and illness or death. I'm not saying that's your attitude modernpaladin, but I've heard that from a fair number of folks.

 

Because the whole point is getting employer based insurance off the table. Democrats believe it’s too much leverage. They hope that once the govt is in charge of it people can more easily move around and bounce from job to job. Great benefits is a major factor in where one works, when you have dependents that is. If you’re single, those factors don’t matter as much. Younger single people already lean left. Older more established people lean Right. Once you can control them too, you’ve got everyone by the balls.

And it all comes back to people being reliant on govt. And once they control your life you HAVE TO vote in policy the continues all those benefits. And whichever party promises the most free stuff will get the votes. It makes govt bigger. More powerful. Witness China and how they treat their people for everything you need to know. Their people can’t fight back. Their people have no real power. Their rights are strictly controlled. Their lives are controlled, except for the elite that have enough money. And look at who is pushing hardest for all this control?? WEALTHY LIBERAL ELITES.

One need only look to see what’s going on.

 

Excellent! Then lets expand Medicaid to cover everyone who isn't insured or is underinsured. I'm all for it.

 

Because they believe it would reward people who are undeserving of being helped.

They feel that if your to poor to afford proper medical care, then thats your fault, and you should suffer any and all consequences, up to, and including death.

They feel that this is a useful way to punish people who have made a bad choice somewhere in life.

 

Why Do Trump Supporters Not Want Medicare For All?

This Trump supporter wants less government, certainly not more.

 

Less is more; less is more for the people.

 

There is no proof of that. Please show me the figures that show the actual amount of new taxes.

Also, the plan (as in the bill co-sponsored by many of the dem candidates) will not allow any private health care insurance, which is worse than the current situation which allows private insurance for those receiving medicare.

 

Please provide proof of the above. I have yet to actually see any figures about the cost of Medicare for all.

 

Define successfully. Many other countries have people who absolutely hate their health care. In Great Britian it takes months to get diagnostic tests that take days to get here.

 

I thought that’s what Medicaid was for?

 

we did that with the ACA for those up to the poverty line (was the expansion 125%), of course some states opted out of the expansion because federal reimbursement was only a temporary freebie, and of course political reasons. Then we had a mandate for the rest, of course quite a few paid the fine instead.

medicaid is a bit different from medicare with regards to deductibles/cost.

Honestly I'm pretty confident that I'll be on the losing end of a m4a type of tax contribution, so I'm not in support of a big change but I have the luxury of being insured and having an employer pay a portion of my premium. I use the term luxury loosely, It is an earned benefit, not gifted.

 

Excellent! Then lets expand Medicaid to cover everyone who isn't insured or is underinsured. I'm all for it. Oh, and can I get on it? My employer provided plan kind of stinks (not really, but for the sake of argument).

 

So the mean income is around $50k and you think we're gonna pull off medicare for everyone for an average of $1000 per tax payer?

 

Medicare is paid for over time for a limited population for limited period of time. Expanding it to cover everyone all the time is not possible. What happened to the expansions of Medicaid? You folks remember that? That was where you claimed all the numbers of newly insured by Obamacare, it was another lie, just an expansion of government waste...

 

I thought you were worried about low income being a barrier? Now we’ve taken a big leap to other demographics.

 

That's funny. Exactly the opposite is true.