Why is cross-dressing allowed but not public nudity?

In my case, I refuse to have a problem with modern women being their modern selves in modern times.

 

Nothing you ever say makes any sense

 

I get what he's saying. Women now can wear just about any article of clothing a man wears, and nobody cares.

But the minute a guy wears a dress or make up, all hell breaks loose. Why is that such a problem? That's a total double standard.

 

So nudity is natural, cross dressing is unnatural............ yeah, just like any clothing. With your logic covering up at all should be illegal.

 

Because the motives are different, I've been over this before - women adopted pants and 'male clothing' for practical reasons (ex. try riding a motorcycle in a mini-skirt, or jogging in high-heels) - they didn't do it because they 'wanted to be/look like a man" - but since dresses, makeup, etc are less practical, than the motive for a man to dress in drag would be that he wants to look like a woman - meaning either he has identity confusion, or just wants to get negative attention

A better analogy would be a woman taking hair growth chemicals to grow a beard - if a woman was doing that most people would think it was odd.

It's a legitimate double standard because the intentions are different.

 

That's interesting. What is your faith? I was raised a fundamentalist Christian, and I never saw anything in the Bible that labeled cross-dressing as a sin.

Can you point me to the specific passage?

 

No cross dressing or 'trying to be something your'e not" is unnatural - wearing clothing in general has a practical purpose, and is natural

No it shouldn't - it has a practical and beneficial purpose - cross dressing or trying to be the opposite sex doesn't

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In the Bible it does say that 'man should not look like a woman', but that's a moot point because you don't need a Bible to tell you that identity confusion isn't a healthy state of mind

 

I am Fiscally Conservative and Socially Liberal....so I support a Balanced Budget and at the same time support Gay Rights.

I am a White....Alpha Male and I am fully secure in my sexuality....but I have to admit something and admit this even to myself.

Although I think any person should have the right to dress whatever manner they want to as long as it is not pornographic in public....I have to admit that I get the Heebie Geebee's and get a sense of revulsion when I see a MALE CROSS DRESSER.

I guess something deep down on a Genetic Level is screaming to me this is wrong even though my educated conscious mind is saying to me...what is the big deal?

AboveAlpha

 

Cultural norms change. Men used to wear dresses.

Further, who gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) what the Bible thinks?

 

That's what I'm hoping to accomplish - a change in the cultural norm which leans toward tolerating self-degrading and unnatural behavior, and bring about social progress

No they didn't, they used to wear robes/garments, not dresses. Context is everything.

For example, a Buddhist Swastika in context has a much different meaning or intent than a Nazi Swastika - so your argument fails

Not me, I give a (*)(*)(*)(*) what reality and science think. Psychological science shows that self-degrading behavior which promotes identity confusion is unnatural and unhealthy, therefore promoting it as 'normal' should be viewed as barbaric and backward

 

I'm still trying to figure out how suits and ties are practical, I hate those damn things. Anyway, besides the point... which would be that no, you're wrong, a double standard exists. Granted some women wear certain clothes for practical reasons, but some certainly wear it because they don't "like dresses" they don't want to look feminine, they're tom boys, as some would call them. And some people do find this odd, but certainly not as odd as when a male does the opposite.

 

Maybe your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) CHRISTIAN SCIENCE does.

 

Maybe we should concern ourselves with things that really matter if we're worried about making progress. Let the person be happy and move on. You're restricting yourself.

 

People with identity confusion aren't "happy" - you seem to be confused.

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Maybe you're just an ignoramus who knows nothing about actual science or psychology - identity confusion is shown to be harmful and rooted in low-self esteem, and trying to 'attract negative attention' by doing something like cross-dressing, etc isn't psychologically healthy

A person cross-dressing with the intent of 'looking like a woman' isn't helping themselves. And no it doesn't matter if Scottish men wear kilts, or whatever - the motive for a Scotsman who wears a kilt isn't to 'look like or identify as a woman', but the motive of a transgender/transvestite/etc is, so that's unnatural - context is different

BTW there's no such thing as "Christian science" - science isn't exactly Fransisco Scaramanga's, or Christianity's strongsuit

 

That's a fair thing to say. I will confess that when I first came out, drag queens freaked me out.

I was like, "Wait! I might like guys, but this is crazy! I don't like guys in dresses!" I totally, completely get you.

But me being who I am, if something scares me, I go check it out. That's much more interesting than running away to me.

So I got to know some drag queens. OMG- not what I expected at all. Several of them explained it to me this way, "I don't want to be a woman. I'm an actor and an illusionist. It's like dressing up for Halloween times 100. We're actors. We don't want to be women. We're obviously men. But you know what? It's fun to crawl out of your own skin and be somebody else once in a while."

It's an art, it's very difficult to do, and I have tons of respect for them.

I still don't like guys in dresses, but so what? Good for them for finding something they love to do. Finding your passion in life is way too important to worry about what other people think.

 

Often not, nobody said otherwise. The debate is about what is acceptable for them to do to find that happiness, and it's that which you are unnecessarily concerning yourself with.

 

That's not the same thing - performing in a 'drag show' is totally different than some guy who identifies as a woman, and goes out in drag, and demands a right to use women's bathrooms, etc

 

You are talking about something entirely different. Transexuals are not some perverts trying to see every girl's 'gina. Get a grip.

Oh wait, are you going to claim to be a woman in a man's body so you can sneek a peek? Is that what this is about? You'll get busted pretty fast.

 

If I was still in High school I probably would've tried that - I'd have claimed to be 'transgender' and threatened to sue for 'discrimination' just so I could shower naked with the girls in the locker room - and then 'high five' all my buddies behind everyone else's back

 

Because I sometimes work with members of the U.S. Military and have done so for over 3 decades....I have KNOWN that I have had several Gay Team Members and to be honest I COULD HAVE CARED LESS!!!

As long as they did their job and watched my 6...everything was fine.

But I have had the unfortunate experience of walking into a club in a state I was not familiar with only to find out that at least 60% of the people there were Gay...and that would not bother me as I have said I am fully secure in my sexuality and besides...not many people would want to tangle with a 6 foot 1 inch....in perfect physical condition...highly trained person such as myself....or at least that's what I thought.

What happened is a few Gay Men that were acting in an overly effeminate manner targeted me and I have known for a long time I cannot make the mistake of reacting or somehow get in a fight because I could easily kill someone accidentally....so my usual plan is whenever something like this happens is to keep my mouth shut and walk out the door.....however this time I had someone blocking the way.....

AboveAlpha

 

The gut blocking the way was about 350 lbs of Fat and he was wearing the Gay Biker outfit and they called him...Bear...or Papa Bear.

He called me out and I told him...why don't we just pretend this didn't happen and you let me pass and everyone can still have a good time?

Then one of the overly effeminate gay's yelled out...."He called me a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)!!!

AboveAlpha

 

The next thing I see out of the corner of my eye is another guy who was not saying anything pick up a bar stool....a METAL BAR STOOL....and swing it at my head.

I ducked and kicked him in the gut and this caused him to let go of the metal bar stool which ended up smashing into Papa Bears mouth causing a gushing bloody wound from his now broken teeth laying on the floor.

AboveAlpha

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I then said...LOOK....I am just going to walk out of here and please just let me go as I don't want anyone else to be hurt.

I swear saying that was like chumming the water for sharks as they just started to line up to get to me.

AboveAlpha

 

During this commotion...the youngest member of my Team who I should have listened to as he said he was taking the boy's to the Irish Bar across the street and I like an idiot was looking at a skirt which I later realized was a GUY in a skirt....went to the other side of the street.....ran over to the bar I was in and called the rest of my team by a specific method I will not talk about.

When about 35 to 40 Guy's...some in heals...and some fairly LARGE....saw my Team and realized exactly the kind of people they were dealing with...they let us go out the door and did not follow....but the Cop's showed up and luckily these 2 40 year old plus guy's had been in the Corps....so they let us go.

AboveAlpha

 

Apparently we should be more concerned about people like you than transgendered people.

 

Well apart from triggering a LOT of memories of funny jokes (and if you are nice I will share them) this thread is just plain silly

What do you consider "cross dressing"?

Women in slacks/trousers

Men in skirts (in that case what about kilts and Sulu's?)