Why is human life special?

There is no right to life in the USA. If there were, the death penalty would be abolished.

 

Life in all its shapes and forms only has as much value as others place upon it and that is true for you just as it is true for all others.

There is no such thing as a right to life - http://www.politicalforum.com/abortion/329575-abortion-violates-unalienable-right-life.html

 

The fact that someone can die from Skiing can be used as an argument to ban skiing. This does not make it a "Good Argument"

That overpopulation threatens the survival of the human species is fact regardless of what arguments folks will make on that basis.

 

Abortion is force. The woman is making a choice to force someone else to be aborted.

 

no more so that self-defence is force against others.

 

Why do you consider that force wrong but YOU using force on a woman is OK????

 

A zef is not a 'someone', and if it were, nobody has the right to use another's body for life support against their will.

 

I think the op argument is the most honest and most dangerous argument i have heard in the abortion debate.

It really cuts through much of the b.s in the debate and cuts right to the central issue. It is so dangerous because it transcends the abortion debate and includes the whole of humanity and not just a selected group of human beings.

I think the idea of legaling killing human beings is abhorant to pro life and pro choice people because it puts into the hands of the state the right to decide who lives and who dies for whatever reasons the state may give. It is something both sides oppose because we are human beings ourselves and we are hardwired to survive and live even thrive. We see the power of the state with their weaponary and technology as a danger to our survival so it is in our best interests to defend the right to life.

If we see the state as the one who grants us the right to life then we have to admit the state can remove that right for any reason and we can have no qualms. But if we see that right as a basic human right endowed by the creator of the universe then we have a principle bigger than the state upon which we profess our rights come from and can object to their tyranny. So human beings are special because God has made us in his image and likeness. Even if one does not believe in God a person can easily understand how promotion of the concept of a divine creator is a protection from potential abuse of absolute power of the state.

 

You are correct, the state(government) should have nothing to do with abortion...it's a medical issue..

 

Unfortunatly roe v wade was government getting involved making it a political issue as well as a moral and medical issue... as soon as legislation was passed the government attributed to itself the authority to determine the right to life placing itself as the highest authority over humanity and a slow decent into tyranny is following on its heals

 

Yes, Canada has no abortion laws and their rate of abortion is a little lower than ours.

That's how it should be here but so many people want to take away women's right to their own body so we needed laws to protect their rights which we shouldn't really need when it concerns abortion, a medical procedure.

Please use the Reply with Quote feature so posters know who and what you're addressing.

 

Abortionn in canada is "legal" under the Canada Health Act.

I.e the government is involved

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Canada

 

Then maybe they had an Anti-Woman faction there,too, and had to make a law for THEM.

 

I agree with you but i take it even further

Its not just women though is it. i mean abortion dosnt just end the life of female children who will become women but also male children... these are not just an anti women laws there anti human laws

 

Oh, baloney.

 

Now that is what i call the best reasoned and honest argument a pro abortion advocate can make... beyond that is mental gymnastics and downright intelectual dishonesty

 

Definition of intellectual dishonesty : Calling a Pro-CHOICE person "pro abortion".

 

Really??

Can you provide a link to the dictionary from which you got this definition.

 

Really? You don't know you're in the Abortion Forum? ( I didn't offer a definition, BTW)

In here and in the abortion issue there are two sides (just two so this should be easy for you), the so-called "Pro-life" side which believes women should not be allowed to choose what to do with their bodies concerning abortion and the Pro-Choice side that say that women have a right to CHOOSE either abortion or child birth.

The Pro-Choice side does NOT advocate for or against abortion but FOR the right of women to CHOOSE.

 

You did say it was a definition...

Then you should support pro life in making the choice to be pro life and support the fact that if society so determines to choose to outlaw abortion you should support the choice of society to do so... that is pro choice and democratic

 

So you DON'T know you are in the abortion forum.


I do support the right for a person to be "Pro-Life" even if they are so very wrong.

No , I don't support society taking away rights. YOU do. And that's wrong.


I said the definition of intellectual dishonesty is calling Pro-Choicers pro-abortion....like you do.

 

Hang on doesnt the constitution say that every human being is created with the inalienable right to lofe endowed by their creator... therefore you advocate taking away rights no me i just want to restore human rights to their correct orientation

 

Ya, people, BORN people.




"""""I said the definition of intellectual dishonesty is calling Pro-Choicers pro-abortion....like you do."""""""""

 

Yes, it says that all persons are entitled to equal protection under the law.

(and nowhere does it say the baby has to be born before it is considered a person)