Why is Roe V. Wade still in effect?

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  1. Cady

    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unfortunately, too many care more about punishing than preventing.
     
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    Some pro-lifers believe that making abortion illegal (ie, punishment) reduces abortions. It's not like they care about punishment more than prevention.
     
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    When I got an abortion...no one else was involved but me. I took the risk...no one else did because it was my body. If anyone punished me it was me.

    The trouble today with society....blaming. Everyone is to blame but the person who did the act.
     
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    We do live in such a society, and yet the choice is there to reject the narcissism. What the politicians who say they want to overturn Roe V Wade want (or say they want) is the ability to make the choice for everyone. While, for the most part anyway, making mouth noises about limited government and individual liberty, they want to impose their morality on a society that will not accept it. They know that they can not outlaw abortion, but that they will gain support from this issue, and that the issue will never go away.
     
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    Punishing oneself does not give them the right to attempt to punish others.
     
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    I would agree with you, but for any omission of obstructing preventive care. I believe the right could be more ethical regarding an ounce of prevention.
     
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    Why would they believe that when, overwhelming, studies and statistics from other countries prove that it doesn't? Why???
     
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    What's your point?
     
  9. Cady

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    You're avoiding again. There is no reason to believe that criminalizing abortion stops or even reduces it. Overwhelming evidence shows otherwise. So why would anyone believe it does?
     
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    Illegality makes something less available.
    It creates a fear of getting caught and punished.
    Read Ander's statistics.
     
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    You know that isn't true. That was proven during prohibition, when booze was freely available.

    Even in Latin America, where abortion is severely punished, women are willing to risk it. The abortion rates are even higher there.

    I don't have those at my fingertips, but those have been debunked. Why would you believe one biased source, when there is ample evidence from unbiased sources?
     
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    Not true about illegal drugs nowadays.

    Yes, some women are desperate enough to break the law and have abortions, but it all depends on the person. Some women may be afraid enough of the legal consequences to avoid having an abortion.

    How would I know that you're sources aren't biased?
     
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    Anyone who wants drugs will find a way to get them. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/05/19/how-easy-is-it-for-teens-to-get-drugs/

    "Some women may" be deterred is not a good enough reason to put women in danger.

    It's well established by multiple sources and statistics.
     
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    The fact that it deters some women shows that it reduces abortion rates. You just admitted that yourself.
     
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    I didn't admit any such thing. Do you see how you just twisted your own claim of "some women may" be deterred, to.."it deters some women." Don't resort to dishonesty.
     
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    Urm no it doesn't, making something illegal may make it a little harder to come by, it doesn't make it less available, have you never heard of the black market .. what id does do is make it far more dangerous.

    Again it does not .. Every single study done on a world wide basis disagrees with you, or are you saying that every organization that has ever conducted studies into this are biased?

    Which have been debunked not just here but on many other places as well .. but just to recap, the Stats that Anders posted are based on incomplete data, prior to Roe abortion statistics were not collected in any organised way, what was collected and easily verified is the the maternal mortality rate, which prior to Roe was far higher than after .. in current times comparisons between countries with restrictive abortion laws and countries with non-restrictive abortion laws prove beyond all doubt that the countries with restrictive abortion laws have a far higher maternal mortality rate associated with abortion than those with non-restrictive abortion laws, this can be concluded to say that even in countries with restrictive abortion laws the level of abortions is unaffected.
    Furthermore on a direct comparison between the USA (restrictive) and Canada (non-restrictive) the overall abortion rates in Canada are LOWER than the USA, this also adds weight to the evidence that restrictive abortion laws have little to no effect on the actual abortions taking place.

    what pro-lifers consistently fail to acknowledge is that restrictive laws have no effect on abortion, what they do achieve is more deaths . .don't forget that in botched abortions both the fetus and the woman die, so it is a myth that making abortion illegal will "save children".
     
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    Which , no doubt, is why drugs are so difficult to score these days.
     
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    Laugh out loud :)
     
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    If drugs were legal, people would just walk into the store and get them. Drugs being illegal puts them in the black market, which makes them less available.
     
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    Putting them on the black market doesn't make them less available, it makes money for the criminal element. Where there is money to be made, the supply will meet the demand.
     
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    Facts!!!!

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    The most abused drugs in our country are put on the street by prescription.
     
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    Just like they do in The Netherlands :roll:

    The highest drug related dependency in the US is prescription drugs .. guess what they are LEGAL.
     
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    Are more people addicted to prescription drugs, or harder drugs? Prescription drugs, because they are legal and widely available.
     
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    You may have something there.

    Whoops .. perhaps not, I seem to have made an error -

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    That chart makes no sense. Only 4,000 Americans are addicted to marijuana? According to polls and statistics, the number of Americans who are long-term cannabis users is much higher (no pun intended) than that.
     

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