Why should I oppose abortion? GIVE ME A VALID REASON.

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by MegadethFan, Sep 28, 2011.

  1. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Are identical twins identical in every way possible to measure? You are desperately grasping at straws here. Uniqueness is important because human rights are recognized on an individual basis. What differentiates one individual from another is uniqueness, even if to a relatively small degree.
     
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    How is uniqueness relevent ?
     
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    See posts above.....:roll:
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I read them and there is nothing relevent about uniqueness in relation to the abortion debate.

    Proof: The two daughter cells after the first mitosis are not unique. Each can form a human.

    Uniqueness is irrelevent to personhood.
     
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    "personhood" is irrelevant in and of itself!
    But just to show you how contradictory your own opinions are :
    "per·son·hood (pûrsn-hd)
    n.
    The state or condition of being a person, especially having those qualities that confer distinct individuality:"

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/personhood

    uniqueness definition:

    "b : distinctively characteristic :"

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/uniqueness


    "Distinct individuality" is completely different than uniqueness? How so?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My apologies .. Uniqueness is irrelevent to personhood in relation to the abortion debate.

    You need to circle the wagons and show how uniqueness is relevent in relation to personhood as per the abortion debate.

    For example, a clone of a person is still a person. Uniqueness is then irrelevent in this respect to personhood.
     
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    Distinct and unique can be synonymous, so you are mistaken. A clone is still a distinct individual.
     
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    I'm only claiming that a human life exists at fertilization. Not sure why I have to keep repeating that. You're right though, a zygote is in the process of creating a human being and has great potential. I'm glad you agree with the subject of potential regarding this debate. I think it is something we all can agree on.

    You ask a great question. What is the value of a new human life, based solely on potential? I say there is great value in the capability each human life has. There is the potential to assist in creating another human life which by itself is of great value. What we each need to do is analyze why it is we are terminating a human life and do the reasons for doing so override the value of that life or not.

    It also has to do with showing respect for each human life and the value inherent in each human life and I submit that the vast majority of abortions don't show that respect nor protect that value.
     
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    From a subjective standpoint, yes. However, that doesn’t diminish the fact that there is value in a human life from the time of creation at fertilization.

    You’re right that the value of that life is not less than any other, except in this case we show greater responsibility for human life by protecting the rights of the mother when she did not choose to engage in sex. Her choice was taken away from her and in such a case should be given back.

    Here is the difference. Every sperm and every egg is not another human life. Every sperm and every egg is already part of the potential of a different human life. Once creation of a new human life begins (at fertilization) new potential is also created and that potential belongs solely to the newly created human life.
     
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    Again, the sperm and the egg are already part of the potential for a different human life. At fertilization a new human life is created and the value and potential of that new human life begins.
     
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    I would say the value exists at the point of creation and it is not merely "potential value" that is present at that moment.
     
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    Pick a term and stick with it.

    If you want to change the wording to distinct (the zygote is a distinct entity) that is fine with me.

    You still have not explained how being distinct makes the human zygote a person.

    Many things are unique and or distinct, but that does not make them people.
     
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    :no:

    Junior, you missed the obvious once again. Just admit you are full of shiite and get it over with.

    A distinct human being and a distinct person are one and the same.
     
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    What does this have to do with a zygote ?

    A zygote is not a human being. You have steered off course again.
     
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    Well your confusion on that topic doesn't change the fact that a human zygote is a human being.
     
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    In your opinion.
     
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    It is actually an obvious fact.
     
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    No it is not a human being, you were shown this already several times.
     
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    You can believe what you wish.

    You claim there are no subject matter experts on what is a homo sapien.

    If you can not show that a zygote is a homo sapien, then you have no support for your claim that a zygote is a human being.
     

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