Why the need for "gay pride"?

Why isn't being gay enough - what is the point of creating a "sub-culture" based off of one's plumbing preferences? Especially one which reenforces a lot of the negative stereotypes about gays.

I don't even have a problem with gays themselves as much as I do the "LGBT" counter-culture - I think the creation and promotion of this "culture" is just part of the cultural Marxist trend by radical social democrats to attack American values and social order - it's not even about "gay rights" as much as it is about trying to tear at our social fabric and promote nihilism under the fake guise of "tolerance".

 

Gay pride existed long before gay people were "tolerated". As someone that has never been and never plans to go - gay pride has been described to me as somewhere that gay people can go to be themselves around other gay and accepting people. Much of the deviant behavior focused on by the largely anti-gay groups is a small (often non-existent) element of pride.

Ever been to a spring break event - straight people doing deviant acts.
Mardi Gras which I have been to - was absolutely disgusting in parts.

I agree that the actions of a few (almost always male) gay people give the impression of pure diviancy in gays (most of us are boring everyday people) but if we judged all groups by the actions of their most deviant then straight people wouldn't have a stellar reputation either.

If you attribute the actions of a few to the larger group that's your problem. And news flash - the majority of all groups beside age 55+ conservatives and blacks support gay rights. The fact that you think gays being treated equally equates to the destruction of the "moral fabric of society" shows how completely irrational you are on the subject.

 

Same sex marriage itself I'm not particularly concerned about.

But I think there's a more sinister agenda at work behind the scenes - most of the "social democrats" whether militant feminists, black rights, gay rights, etc groups I think are really just engaged in subtle "class warfare" and are more interested in using these issues to attack the majority than they are in anyone's "rights".

 

It actually has nothing to do with any of that. It's about gay people. You see when a lot of us are growing up we feel ashamed of our sexuality. I don't know about others but I personally felt severe shame over it into my adulthood. When I saw others accept who they were it really spoke to me. At the time I was feeling some very complex emotions but looking back I know what they were about.

The parade is in commemoration of the stonewall riots. There was a part of history not that long ago where police would find any excuse to arrest homosexuals. They actually staged a raid on the stonewall inn. They provoked the riot. But it marked a turning point. Though the parade seems to get more publicity over a handful of costumed characters, it really is just an average parade.

As far as the leftist Marxist culture, I'd say that has more to do with conservatives than anybody else. It seems like people that call themselves conservative are only really socially conservative which to me is just another word for progressive, it's just progressive in a different direction.

When every politician in the party seems to want to restrict liberties for homosexuals it's hard for them to vote for such people. Conservatives weren't always this way. They are now deeply tied to religion, which generally seems to be more along the lines of fascism.

So naturally many gay people fall for the democrat propaganda when in reality they feel the same way about us. I honestly don't think it's as big a number as everybody thinks.

Lgbt is almost like a tribe, they had to be, being outcast from every thing that they were part of really forced that to happen. As recent as the 1990s.

I honestly look forward to a day when there is no lgbt and we are all just people. I think it's coming, but it's hard to let go of those old fears. When a group of people are ostracized they tend to stick together. That's how the mafia was formed.

But there is a ray of hope. I've talked to many young gay people, and they don't even call themselves gay.

 

Because it's only fair, i.e., Straights have their Pride at the Mardi Gras.

 

Gays have been demeaned for what they really are. That demeaning is completely subjective, there is no basis for anyone to believe that being gay makes someone inferior. Its just the way its presented.

If people started making the same aspersions about people with single freckles on their chins it would be just as rationally meaningful. But it would also be just as harmful to the self image and pride of the person with a freckle there.

Everything about them would be defined by their being born with a freckle there as far as society was concerned.

They of course would have the option to cover up the freckle, or even have it surgically removed. But in a very real way that would be admitting that the freckle makes them inferior, it also condemns future chin freckled youth to the same treatment. It is supportive of the inferior brand given to them by society. This is an extreme lack of pride, it states "I am inferior and everyone has a right to think I am.".

Or instead they could rebel against the foolish judgement of society and proudly exaggerate their freckle. Their pride parade with other freckled chins would be a way of rejecting the inferior brand so stupidly pressed upon them by society.

That might make sense to you if you are able to see it. Most are too blinded by their own prejudice.

I'm not gay myself, but as years go by the constant negative bias against them has become obvious even to me.

 

I agree that the issues are manipulated by the "elite" (top 0.001%, another reason why unchecked wealth is a huge detriment to the average citizen) to gain whatever control or agenda they are pushing for, I disagree that the average person in these movements have many ulterior motives.

 

What I find most annoying with all this are these so called "social justice warriors" who are heterosexual yet feel the need to participate in the parades and whatnot. The only rational explanation is narcissism. They feel they are better than everyone else by participating. They get that dopamine-kick by playing "Gut mensch"

Completely foolish imo. If I were homosexual I would probably hate these "good guys" as it is obvious they'd be taking advantage of me being different so that they can appear better than me and everyone else.

Without drawing any similarities between the two, I would not be surprised if these "Gut mensch" soon start to push for beastialty and then maybe even pedophilia. Ugh. (NOTE: Again this is not a comparisson between homosexuality and beastialty/pedophilia. It is an attack on the danger and idiocy of "social justice warriors").

 

Gay 'pride' is nothing more than gay arrogance...

... when it comes time for them to meet their maker...

... how 'proud' will they be then?

 

There is NOTHING wrong with gay people seeking and retaining any allies they might garner. It is foolish to suggest that they should not have heterosexual allies. Really, that doesn't make good sense.

 

Most likely for the same reason you have groups like the Emerald Society, the Log Cabin Republicans, the Von Stuben Society and other groups that recognize heritage or lifestyle.

 

Nice how gay people ended up being too likeable and now they are back to cramming race down our throats. Young people are virtually 100% pro gay. Can't get any action on the sex warfare so back to race and class.

 

Would I be proud of my maker's work? Of course who wouldn't be?

 

Did you feel that way about white people that stood up for the equality of black people back in the 60s? How about men who stood up for women in the women's suffrage act?

 

So define "American values" in a way that 320+ million Americans will agree with. Being gay and having pride parades is part of American values as American values are multifaceted. Do you believe that your view of American values is the bar set for the rest of us to be measured against? If freedom is an American value then taking pride in being gay is also part of that value.

 

Well the difference is that gay people weren't being discriminated against for "being gay" - it was a specific sex act they were discriminated against for.

If a person with "gay urges" took a vow of abstinence became a Catholic Priest (and never acted on them) no one would have discriminated against him simply for "having gay urges" inside of his mind.

So the racial comparison isn't accurate; the discrimination for the most part was against a specific act, not against "individuals".

 

The majority has switched to those who support gays. Do you still see yourself as part of a majority on the issue?

 

Probably because the "gay shaming" has been going on for decades. . .and it was time for gay people to demonstrate that they do not FEEL the shame that was imposed on them.

I support their right to show their pride, after so many years of shaming!

 

I was more refering to this rather mordern happenin with pompous parades running through pretty much every city in the world when it is "Gay Pride Week" or whatever it is called. Attending such an event when not homosexual is rather idiotic imo. Showing up at these kinds of parades has very little to do with equality and expressing support for "the repressed", Same goes for these morons putting that LGTB-flag on their Facebook profile pics just to show they are good people. The latter has infact been proven in a study to be linked to narcissism When one feel they can show they are better and more good than anyone else it kicks off dopamines in the brain and then, the thirst for more likes, attention and "good guy labels"results in trying to be even more unique by chaning the picture to something else, uploading some SJW-status or posting videos and pics of oneslelf at the "Gay Pride Parade".


Showing up at an "equality protest" outside a repressie parliament or court house or at the local square is entirely different.

 

Really? So. . .how many gay couples have you watched while having sex?
Personally, I have had several gay friends, and many gay clients (as an MSW working with people with AIDS). . . and I have NEVER witnessed "specific sex" between any of them.
Holding hands. . .maybe, tender looks. . .yes, an arm around the other's shoulder. . .of course. SEX, NEVER!

So. . what you say you are discriminating against is something that you imagine in your head.

 

A sex act practiced by untold numbers of heterosexuals also. So if it is not about gays, then why have the Christians not started an anti-anal sex campaign and tack onto it an anti-oral sex campaign? Why make it about gays if it is not only about gays?

 

Without knowing too much I'd say church probably opposes both anal- and oral sex. Even though if it is between man and woman. Church regards love and marriage as something between a man and a woman. After marriage it is OK to have sex, or more purely put; to have kids. Furthermore, sex is only a mean of reproduction(as contraceptives are considered a sin). Thus, both anal sex and oral sex is probably not acts the church would approve of.

The reason church opposes homosexuality is not because of the way in which these individuals have sex. Rather it is because .1) Marriage is between man and woman, not man and man or woman and woman. 2. Homosexuals cannot have biological children. Any sex that is not a mean of having kids is not accepted by church. Thus, only type of sex that is accepted is vaginal involving a man and a woman who are married.

I as a non-Christian would explain..

 

If they insisted on doing said sex acts in public than you would be correct. But no it's not about a sex act it's about them being gay.

If a person with gay urges took a same sex partner and never spoke of their sex practices, and kept it inside of his mind, he would be discriminated against, based on the imagination of others.

So yes it is about sexuality and not an act.

The act of being with somebody of the same sex, not a sex act, unless they are doing it right on your living room floor you don't know about it. You only speculate. Thus it is about what they are not what they do.

 

I would say that Facebook is 100% about narcissism and nothing else. So I would consider everything people do with Facebook is for the same goal. As for the pride parade, it's fun, have you ever been?

Showing up to an event is about having fun. All the heterosexual folks that went with me had fun. That is the reason they went.

 

And this is different than promoting American militarism by the government paying professional sports teams to have these "honor veterans" type displays in their programming how exactly? I mean I really really really don't get the whole Comic Con thing, but I don't get bent out of shape that a bunch of way too old to be dressing up dorks dress up and attend these events. Lots of things happen every day that are not my cup of tea, but I don't have a problem with quilting fairs.