Why we'll never bake your fake wedding cake PT. II

LOL how can I be endorsing someone else's morals when I don't agree with them? Your comments are so backwards ridiculous they don't even make sense. I don't support ALL Christian morals which means I don't endorse the ones I disagree with.

 

You endorse them by saying morality is subjective. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

 

OMG how many times do I have to prove you wrong with the ACTUAL definitions.

subjective:

In their mind, the Nazi's thought what they were doing was moral, which is WHY morality is subjective. I'm really not sure what you are having a hard time understanding.

Everybody's morals are different in some way, so how can that be if morality is not subjective? You think Homosexuality is a sin, I do not. Therefore your morals don't trump mine and vice versus.

 

Because it's not true.

 

I understand you perfectly. If the Nazi's think that is moral to kill Jews, then you agree that it is moral to them.

However, I disagree with them. You disagree with them. It is never moral to kill Jews. Morality therefore is not subjective.

 

No, we're saying that in the Nazi's mind, it was moral according to their belief system. As far as we are concerned, they were bat(*)(*)(*)(*) crazy for thinking that and fought a war to make that point.

I think that same-sex marriage and homosexuality is just peach-keen fine. You don't. I think it's moral. You don't. Our two morality beliefs are in conflict with eachother. That's why it's subjective.

 

And that is where you are wrong. Both of us cannot be right. There is a difference between right and wrong.

The problem with liberalism is they like to blur the lines between right and wrong. They like to think there is a grey area in between, then they like to move that grey area around to suit themselves.

 

Why can't you both be right?

Again, you are only assuming that there is ONE God and ONE path. That is something you cannot say is factual. It is your faith that it is correct.

Let me give you an example, if I go from Denver to Chicago there are many roads (paths) that have different laws (i.e. speed limits), however, they get to the same place. Am I wrong to not take the highway and instead take frontage roads? Of course not.

You think YOUR morals are the ONLY morals. Is slavery moral? If not, were the founding fathers immoral people? Sorry you don't like it, but yes, morals are subjective and I have given you plenty of examples how. Simply, you have been proven to be flat out wrong on this one. You have faith that YOUR morals that you follow are the ONLY morals, but that simply is not factual.

I love it when you start preaching from your shaky soapbox. Conservatism has also blurred many of those lines of your "right and wrong". In your own religion, "Though shall not kill", you make an exception to that with the death penalty and even many hard core conservatives don't agree with the states doing the death penalty. So be careful your soapbox has fallen over again.

 

we don't make cakes for your kind here.... why are some people so mean, if you can't just sell your cakes without the hate and discrimination, just stop selling cakes

I have no issues with not doing certain artwork against your beliefs, but sell the basic cake for crying out loud

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Pretty much this. This is nothing but grandstanding from a small handful of religious nuts out there. There are many bakeries out there run by Christians that DO and WILL make wedding cakes for gay weddings.

 

I've got nothing against gay marriage, but this makes me want to order an anti-homosexuality cake from a gay baker now.

 

Your free to do so. Go for it.

 

This has nothing to do with religion. If this baker was atheist and he thought ssm was just yucky, and refused to make a cake for them, would he get sued? Would he have the right to do something like that if he was not religious? If this was about religious rights than no he couldn't deny service. Thisis about either special rights for religious people,or religious people being so caught up in the religious bickering they missed the real argument.
I'm going with the latter.

The question is, "does a business have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason?" Religion doesn't seem to be a factor here. More of a political device to hide behavior behind the first amendment. Religious freedom isn't protected if it is against the law to do something.

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I don't think you are going to get anywhere.