Will 3 theaters of war satisfy the neocons?

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Are the neocons crazy/greedy?

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  1. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A year after Biden got in, presto we had a war in Ukraine.

    We had sent over 700 million in 'aid' during 2021 which
    included 300 million in pay for the big army we had forming
    there, and 300 million in weapons and ammo they could
    practice with, shelling Russian-speaking civilians in Donetsk
    and other population centers.

    And we've been sending huge quantities of weapons and
    ammunition to Israel for years and finally it really boiled up,
    and of course we want to get involved, or feel it would be
    morally right to get involved, of course.

    And our position on whether Taiwan is or is not part of mainland
    China has been kept deliberately ambiguous, the Taiwanese
    have voted just a few percent more to stay independent of the
    mainland so maybe we can get a war out of that as well.

    By my count that comes out at 3 theaters of war.
     
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    Shutcie Newly Registered Donor

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    And no boots on the ground in any of them.
    You forgot to add Venezuela.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, a mistake we've made so many times in the past was to put our boots on the ground.

    The Neocons believe the route to peace and prosperity is for all countries to be like the U.S..

    And to make the omelet they are willing to break a lot of eggs.

    So how do the Neocons get into power?
    The U.S. is run mostly by the very rich - the Oligarchs - the ones we claim run Russia,
    and in the Yeltsin era I think they did, that doesn't mean our oligarchs don't run us,
    and some oligarchs get rich off making weapons (we call it 'defense').

    The main force behind US policy is the Military Industrial Congressional Complex,
    and they make money by 'breaking eggs'.

    So making the World into copies of America is very profitable for them.
     
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    Oh, I get it now... you meant DEMOCRAT Neo-Cons... right?

    When you look back as far as 1900, who got the United States into shooting wars?

    World War I -- it was Democrat Woodrow Wilson
    World War II -- it was Democrat Frankie Roosevelt
    Korean War -- it was Democrat Harry Truman
    Vietnam -- it was Democrat Lyndon Johnson
    Balkans (Yugoslavia) -- it was Democrat Bill Clinton
    ... and who got us into these current 'proxy' wars in Ukraine and the Middle East -- it's Democrat Joe Biden.

    The only other conflict(s) of any note that a Republican (RINO) got us into was Iraq/Afghanistan -- George "W" Bush.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, that's right.

    G W Bush was good friends of the Clintons, many of those in both parties are run by the same oligarchs.
     
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    NONE of which is the West's doing, please leave your baseless conspiracy theories at the door.
     
  7. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, thank you for pointing out my lack of clarity, I've changed my signature as a result.

    When it comes to war, both parties are usually on board that's how we got for the war in Vietnam in the house 416-0 in favor,
    in Senate 88-2 so heavily in favor of war when there really wasn't much of a case for it (a photo of one bullet stuck in the
    USS Maddox, and behind the scenes no agreement on when it got there).

    If it is frequently believed that Neocons are not present in both sides of the establishment, that is a big error.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is depressing that the pro war faction dominates both parties.

    JFK had scheduled removing US advisors from Vietnam, I guess that
    means CIA covert operations, but JFK knew he would be seen as a
    commie or 'weak' and that would cost him votes so he had to do that
    after the election.

    JFK was assassinated on Nov 22 1963, and Johnson became president
    knowing he was out of his depth. Then on Aug 10 1964 the president and
    Congress voted to wage war in S.E. Asia and of the 504 in Congress only
    2 voted against, so the pro war faction already dominated Congress; was
    already there before the next election.

    Basically Congress is mostly owned by certain highly profitable activities,
    which includes big pharma, big Agriculture, and the weapons makers.

    And that's why we keep going to war.
     
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    The neocons and Biden Democrats don’t start wars on purpose; they just blunder into them with their displays of weakness.
     
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