Will Pres Trump take on the Deep State?

Of course the news source here is not MSM, and therefore you get contrary voices, all American voices, including the moderator, although for some the disqualifier will be it is coming from that monster of disinformation RT. ha ha

Listen closely to Ray McGovern, ex long time CIA analyst says. He is a voice of reason in the MSM world of the irrational. And then give your thoughts as to what these americans say. MSM would never talk to Ray for obvious reasons...remember Mockingbird.

 

I'd argue he's already taking on the deep state. It will be interesting to see who, if any, he ferrets out.

 

That is like asking if he will take on the aliens from Splergus who live among us.

 

Pretty sure outing thos aliens was Hillarys campaign pledge. Though she's apparently under the impression they're still residing in Area 51.

 

The entire world is sick of the charade.

Ironically, all the troubles were created to make us want the globalists over our nations - but free communications has ruined their entire plan. Now all they can do is strong arm or adapt. This fact will split the top.

Trump was probably a ringer. Any true nationalist would have had people in jail overnight. The tariffs would be in place as fast as he killed TPP. There is no tiptoeing around being truly America 1st, after 40 years of treason.

Trump was actually a gift for the globalists. I'm sure there are a few at the top smart enough to see he provides the perfect surfboard to ride the wave of populism with some semblance of input. Let's face it - he isn't Hitler. Nor is he Washington. Nor is he Caesar.

The globalists took lighter halls in their propped up 'controlled opposition' outlets as a satisfied public.
Nope. It was proof of a level of contempt above and beyond re-franchising via vintage smoke and mirrors' politics, and hail Mary fiction, propagated by pseudo journalism that runs down the street passed the great majority, to end up in the same leftist echo gutter as the rest of the storm of falsehoods.

Globalists can no longer pull elections with their media. And the demographic that watches cable news is falling off the earth. It will just get worse and worse. It seems like they think they can take everything back 5 years if they beat the drum loud enough. *Close down message boards*. *Remove comment sections*. Retarded.

Will Trump take on the deep state? Not unless the "deep state vs deep state" narrative is true, and I don't see someone "single handily taking on the most powerful people on earth" pussyfooting around with it.

But there is the chance that there's elite out there smart enough to see the evolved brain likes the new reality (there is global cooperation of the elite to the detriment of the rest), better than the previous reality (we live in a free democracy, and even if some corruption, there is no grand sinister plot).

The new reality will win out. The more it becomes obvious, the more hardcore opportunists will start to jump ship from the cheese and wine coalitions that serve as the vehicles for passive aggressive conspiracy - verging on treason.

 

So you are more intelligent, with experience than McGovern and Binney?

The CIA Schumer said can get trump 6 ways from sunday.. Oh, he was just joking?

Greenwald talks about the deep state. Oh, you think he is a nut too? Get outta town. Ignorance is bliss.

 

I share your concern about trump, but I do not think he is a ringer. The only question I have is if he can clean out the CIA and NSA, take them on, for their power is tremendous, given the CIA embeds in a manner in MSM, which was discovered a couple years ago, in Europe of all places. Busted out by one of their journalists. Mockingbird is still with us, under a different name, IMO. You can see it in our MSM, with this trump/Russian ruse.

IMO, Trump is the greatest hope we have since JFK, who was taking on a powerful CIA, but less powerful than today, exponentially.

Intel has become political, which was revealed in this war against trump, by Obama's appointees, some who moved into non appointed positions. Montgomery's new revelations which MSM is in blackout over, reveals a dark project within the NSA that spies on congressmen, even Supreme Court Justices. And they have watched trump for years, and people like Alex Jones, but a vast number of others. If this is not a deep state, I will eat my hat. Some people do not want to believe this, but until the documents Montgomery has are proven to be fake, it looks like this is a huge revelation. But can trump do a thing about it? Will he even try, one day when this Russian ruse goes away? Only time will tell, but he is against the most powerful force in gov't. And even a president might be handcuffed. The corruption may be too deep, too powerful, which includes powerful men in congress. We are living in a post 1984 America, IMO. How could anyone logically dispute this, given just what we know, with much which we do not know.

Yet I agree with what you say, but am not as optimistic as you are, because the People, their lack of being connected with reality, their brains being too easily duped, driven by tribalism, just do not seem to care. Or in the case of one poster on this thread equates this to Woo Woo. I think he is the illustration of the easily duped, because of his deep tribalism, for this would of course destroy his case against trump with the trump/putin crazy talk. And there are many democrats just like him, who enables and keeps in place the corruption of the deep state. This is why these people are dangerous minds.

 

Exactly.

The "deep state" is a paranoid fantasy dreamed up by insane paranoiac Alex Jones and his Infowars site.

And apparently now pushed by Russian propaganda outlets.

You know, the John Birchers were paragons of rationality compared with today's crop of conspiracy theorists.

 

The existence of a "Deep State" in the US is a neat conspiracy theory. Supposedly, its goal is to undermine the Trump administration - sadly, Trump does not need any help with this - he and his team are so incompetent, no outside interference is required. The only goal of promoting this crazy theory is to take the blame from the Trump administration for it's incompetence and place it elsewhere i.e. the Deep State, of which Obama is naturally one of the leaders. This is why this absolute nonsense of an American "Deep State" is promoted largely by extremist conservative websites. Alt-right, fake news, alternative facts, deep state.......this administration is the cause of a brand new lexicon of phrases........

 

Yeah, but if he were truly anti-globalist, he would know the only way to stop the CIA would be through executive order, and it would have been one of the 1st few.

The nice thing about this is the CIA is actually the piece of the puzzle to get the average brain to grasp the reality that the people we vote for aren't in charge.

It has proven impossible with the FED. Americanism is so eroded that the last 4 generations have zero clue that income tax is actually illegal. So good luck using the IRS.

But the CIA, that is doable. Like the FED and the IRS, another faux public entity, beyond media scrutiny and congressional punishment, serving as a limb for the globalist masters. But unlike bankers, spies are a subject palatable to the common man. And day after day, the mountain of evidence that the deep state is actually more powerful than even the president, grows to a level you could convince a kid with down syndrome.

 

Yeah - because there's no such thing as the Kissinger's and Greenspan's, who wield power for decades in Washington, regardless of the party in charge.

It's all a "fantasy".

 

Sadly naive.

 

The Deep State refers to the hundreds of thousands of Washington bureaucrats who are most interested in preserving their own jobs and power. They answer to no one and are impervious to elected officials, especially conservatives.

The Deep State acts only in its own self interest. It doesn't care what what the president or congress wants to do; they're going to run government as they see fit.

 

And they have their headquarters on a grassy knoll somewhere, right?

 

Yes, I know. Federal employees aren't normal people. They're an evil monolithic bloc who don't care about anybody but themselves.

Seriously. Do you listen to yourself sometimes?

Bullshit.

The idea that the government is an "other" rather than an "us" is deranged.

See? Paranoid conspiracy theory. With no evidence to back it up other than your own paranoia -- and a willingness to dehumanize anyone who takes a job with the federal government.

 

So all those illegal leaks were what exactly? Let me guess, lone wolf attacks on the nation by former Obama appointees that have no relation to the continued illegal leaks and other liberal sabotage to workings and success of this administration...

 

Can't see that he has a choice.

 

Obviously, you've never worked in federal government.

 

I gave this a "like", Ray. I wish I could give it 10 of them!

 

What are you trying to say there?????

 

Exactly what I said. Federal employees most certainly do consider themselves above the unwashed masses. And why not? They've basically got lifetime jobs, decent wages, extensive benefits, easy work and a strong union to make sure it stays that way. We should all be so fortunate.

Your thinking we're all one big happy family made it obvious you're not speaking from experience.

Am I wrong?

 

The thing is, there are many voices, credible voices, experienced voices, speaking of what is being called the deep state. I do not think it is a big group of gov't employees who agree on what their actions will be, contrary to what a president wants. It would be entrenched special interests, connected to the military industrial complex, and perhaps other powerful interests, including the banking cabal. Because the CIA has always worked for special interests, it is what they do. They do a regime change in some south American nation, in order that a big business here would not lose its supply of fruit. Many of their actions help western bankers. This is no secret. Anything contrary to this agenda is an enemy of the CIA. Then the power of the military industrial complex, Ike warned us about. This is a part of the deep state. Never goes away, while presidents come and go. This is what the deep state is, IMO.

 

Yeah, you are.

First of all...your remark was not directed at me...I was merely trying to understand what you were getting at with Ray.

I have worked for the Federal Government. It was only for 5 years at the Social Security Administration...but I enjoyed my work there...and the people I worked with were at least as talented and dedicated as the people I worked with in my much longer time in the private sector.

So if you are denigrating federal employees...I think you are all wet. There are malingerers; there are incompetents...and there are the indolent. But, Smartmouth, if you think there are not the same percentage of malingerers, incompetents, and the indolent in the private sector...YOU ARE DEAD WRONG.

Okay?

 

The "Deep State" is a conspiratorial myth that doesn't actually exist.

So how can Trump "take it on"?

How does one take on something that doesn't exist?

Instead, maybe Trump could take on Bigfoot?


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