Interesting. I viewed the word "see" more literally. And, physics gives some pretty darn tough challenges to travel of any distance. Look how long it took for our satellite to leave our solar system. And, that is nothing compared to going to the nearest star (other than the sun, of course). We may actually see life, but it would have to be on one of the objects within our solar system and would surely be on the order of a microbe.
Yay, they're finding phenomenon all over space that is best explained with extraterrestrials existing.
Well, I cannot disagree. But one would hope that evolving out of the psychology of primitive man, which involves survival, and becoming rational beings would also be an evolving out of violence, aggression, destruction of other life. For war is irrational, unless it is purely self defense. But who knows? Certainly not me. Much of our technological advance has been how to kill others in greater numbers than they can kill us. If other more advanced life is like us, and if they can get here, we are in trouble.
Why would a species advanced enough to cross interstellar space bother with a bunch of primates who are still killing each other over what they think an imaginary sky being is telling them to do?
For the same reasons we have studied every form of life that we find. It's why we camp out on Galapagos Island. If we find primitive life in space, we'll study it, guaranteed. We're not primates, we create art and music and fly to the moon. We created the computer and the internet and some truly remarkable inventions.
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The same reason the human primate puts other species in zoos to look at them? We also have such a vivid imagination when we think particles in the vacuum of space manifest out of nothingness and then return to that nothingness. Wait, that isn't imagination, but appears to be reality. How can something manifest from nothingness? Well, that nothingness begins to appear to be what materialism says cannot exist. Yet it exists. Perhaps this sky being, as you put it, is within that nothingness and is responsible for the manifestation of something out of what appears to our senses, to be nothing? So, it may be nothing more than the imagination of an atheist that it is impossible for something to exist out of their very limited knowledge of the universe, the reality that we find ourselves inhabiting? Is that possible? Of course it is. Unless you have infinite knowledge of what is possible and impossible, which of course in actuality you do not. What if we finally do make contact with a race of beings, thousands of years, or millions of years ahead of us, and they tell atheists that they were wrong about something that could be called a creator, a god? Would atheists accept it, or would they, with their arrogant little self images, their egos, be able to admit that they were more stupid than the people who believed their was something greater than the human ego? Would they just not say that this superior intelligence was just as stupid as the people who believe in a power beyond the ego? Perhaps atheists are little more than ego arrogance? That it requires that in order to be an atheist in the first place? And such a belief, cannot exist without the arrogance, even when human knowledge is so limited, but which these people use as their argument? An argument based upon an extremely limited knowledge. And then they have to forget that tremendous limitation in order to make their claims. That looks like a tale told by just a common idiot to me.
Nice post. Still has absolutely dick to do with my original question: Why would a species advanced enough to cross interstellar space bother with a bunch of primates who are still killing each other over what they think a sky being - imaginary or otherwise - is telling them to do? Would you judge such a race of primates sane? Or would you leave them locked in their cage (planet/system) until they grow up enough to figure out how to get along with each other and purge their violent, xenophobic streak? And would you think said sky being ordering all the killing was sane as well?
Well, for some reason some people do not want to be related to other primates. They think we cannot be related to what they see as animals. Even given the dna. These people, many of them have a very unsophisticated and primitive image of their god, who looks just like a human king, and even has the base side of human nature, in the stories they made up about their god. It would be funny if their god did appear one day to them, and instead of looking like them, looked like a chimp. A chimp that spoke their language. Perhaps that is the reason god has never appeared to man, not because it would kill us to just look at god, but because we would freak out when he appeared to be a chimp, crapping and throwing his poop at us, as he masturbated. That shock is what would kill these people, which is why god does not appear to human beings. Ok, I admit to silliness, but this is not sillier than the images these people have of their god. For if god exists, he would be beyond comprehension, given what it must be in order to create something out of nothing, with that something being this vast universe. Being so much more intelligent than the human brain, which it created, our little brains could in no way comprehend or understand it. It would be like the brain of a snail, understanding physics. But even that example would be too small of a comparison.
I see your point. If you were the only example and I was zooming around the universe, I'd skip Earth too. Fortunately, your not the example the aliens found here. You seem to want isolation so that makes you the xenophobe.
Well, Trumpistas are definitely familiar with intellectual weakness. It seems to be one of their dominant traits.
Earthlings are considered intelligent beings...loosely considered intelligent...and look at our state-of-affairs. How long into our future must we go to see appreciable change? And I still wonder on average how long an advanced civilization can survive...maybe they never last long enough to be all Kumbaya...
First it would be curiosity...then about five minutes after seeing what we're about they would be leaving at the SOL... - - - Updated - - - You are correct...we're not primates...but we behave like primates...
Yes, we are primates - that is an undisputed scientific fact. Learn basic taxonomy. Geez... - - - Updated - - - You know it well because you see it in the mirror every day. Trumpanzees simply lack the self-awareness to see that it is their own flaw they try to project on everyone else.
Humans diverged from primates...there is a distinct difference between a human and a primate today. I assumed TrackerSam was referring not to humans DNA links to primates but more about saying we're not so stupid that we can't achieve things...
Humans devolved from primates and became the politicians and the sheeple. They've been trying to recover from it ever since but it's not looking good.
We are scientifically in the order of primates. This isn't up for debate. It is simple, scientific fact. Chimpanzees and tarsiers are worlds apart in DNA and intelligence, yet both are primates, as are we. Sorry if that offends, but it is simple, scientific truth.
Nothing offends me...especially your righteousness...humans are also RNA molecules but we don't say today that humans ARE RNA molecules? You're too busy being righteous instead of paying attention to the statement by TrackerSam simply saying 'we're not primates' which I took to mean humans have lots of capabilities over apes...
Not being righteous at all. I'm simply being scientifically accurate and not splitting philosophical hairs. We are primates. This is an established fact. And this is a science thread, not a metaphysical or religious one. According to long-established science, we ARE primates - end of story.
Humm Humming birds can do things other birds cannot do.... and yet they are still birds Other primates can do things we cannot do, and we can do things they cannot do And yet we and they are primates So what exactly is the point?
