For those people who claim that abortion to save the life of the mother is never necessary: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/1114/1224326575203.html
That is just absolutely horrible. To be denied the right to terminate when it was killing her due to RELIGION? Just outstanding really.
You do realise that abortion is legal in Ireland when it is performed to save the life of the mother ? The opening post was very misleading. It was probably just one group of doctor who felt he could not perform the procedure for personal moral/ethical reasons. If she really wanted an abortion she could have just gone to some other hospital. You don't believe abortion doctors should be forced to perform an abortion when they do not feel right about it, do you? From the Irish law: Futhermore, a woman in Ireland can still go to the UK to have an abortion:
A doctor who refuses to give a needed treatment to save someone's life should be charged with negligent homicide.
So now abortionists just aren't content with allowing abortion. Now they want to FORCE doctors to kill little babies. We all knew this was coming, not really much of a surprise.
You're saying it's okay to stand by and watch a woman die just because you oppose abortion? That's messed up.
Yes a sick woman in the care of a hospital can iust hop on a plane and have the abortion int he UK. Yes, the supreme court has ruled that a woman can have an abortion, but the only piece of legislation on it dates to the 19th century and makes no usuch execpetions, the doctor can gamble his patients life or his medical licence and 20 years in jail. There not heros they are people, clarity has been called for repeatedly, doctors need to have legal protection if they make a call intending to save the life of a mother.
This, almost undeniably, this. Apparently, being morally absolutist is more important than actual living PEOPLE'S lives. And to Anders, the woman should not have had to travel to ANOTHER COUNTRY to receive a life-saving medical treatment she was being denied in her own. Ireland is not a third world country, they possess the medical technology and ability to perform the procedure that would have saved her. This is absolutely shameful.
When it's the SAVE THE MOTHER'S LIFE, yes. Doctor's shouldn't get to legally choose whether they are going to save someone's life or not when they fully possess the ability to save it. How is that ANY different than what you accuse the mother of doing, which is, playing God?
That fetus was already DYING you *****. She was miscarrying. It was going to die one way or another. What the hell is your problem with saving one life when the other already dying life is the one causing the death of the person carrying it? It's amazing the lengths the pro-lifers will go to just to stop women from having abortions, even at the cost of their own lives! You don't care about life, you just care about forcing your god-forsaken evil morals onto the bodies of women. It's sick.
Nice try to justify murder but I am not "buying it". She died because she was hemorrhaging and not because she was denied an abortion. You Liberals will use anything to support your insane ideology, regardless if what you attempt to use agrees with your agenda or not. As I told someone, "Liberalism is nothing but organized insanity or madness. Liberalism is everything that sane people in a society or nation reject, i.e. the refuse of the society or nation."
She was bleeding out because of the miscarriage, and they held off treating her for *days* because the baby hadn't died yet -- even though it was certain to. You have no business calling yourself "sane" if you agree with that.
You could just as easily say that the person who was stabbed in the street died of haemorrhage not the stab wound
But they have both a legal and ethical right to abstain from killing innocent human life. Hospitals in Ireland usually make their policies on abortion known, so the woman can shop around for hospitals as soon as she realises she is pregnant. In Ireland, if it is a Catholic hospital, there is a fairly good chance the woman is going to have difficulty finding a doctor willing to abort her baby. This should have been an obvious fact for anyone living in Ireland, but from the name of this particular woman, it sounds like she might not have lived very long in Ireland and so perhaps did not realise what would have been obvious to anyone else that grew up there. Why don't you go to Ireland and hold up a sign demanding that doctors should be forced to commit abortions even when they feel it is wrong. See what the public response is. Besides, if you started forcing abortion doctors to commit abortions, these doctors would leave this field of medicine in droves, and it would then become extremely difficult for any woman to find an abortion doctor, even in the cases where some of these doctors would have been willing to do the abortion procedure in certain particular situations. In other words, it seems like you seek to make becoming an abortion doctor an all or nothing affair - either you refuse to do any abortions, or you must be willing to do abortions under any and all circumstances. Many pro-lifers, I suspect, would actually support this law you want to force in Ireland, because they know how many abortions it would prevent, as all these conscientious doctors switched to another field of medicine. It's not really surprising you want to force doctors to perform abortions, just like you already want to force taxpayers to pay for abortions.
Hospitals in Ireland do no such thing, women don't "shop around" for maternity hospitals. UHG is the only hospital offering maternity services in Galway. You go to your GP he refers you to an obstetrician, you don't get an obstetrician if you haven't been referred. She went to the ER because she was having a miscarriage. She didn't want an abortion she wanted a baby. It was dying inside her, she was in a HOSPITAL. And our archaic abortion laws put a woman's health and ultimately life in danger to preserve the "right to life" of a fetus that was DYING. The ETHICS of the hospital are not in question the LAW is.
There's a huge glaring difference between having an elective abortion and having an abortion to save the life of the mother. What these doctors are doing is basically trading the life of the fetus for the life of the mother, even though the fetus will likely die if the mother does. No fetus in the history of the world has EVER been more important than it's mother. To think otherwise, well, I can't even begin to fathom stupidity on that level.
But you could see why some people might think an entire human life is more important than a few months of convenience for someone else. So is the mother's life worth 20 times more than her unborn baby? If an abortion will increase the mother's odds of survival by 5%, does that justify terminating the fetus?
Even if only .05 percent. The mother's life is always, ALWAYS, more important, and there's no logical reason why it wouldn't be that way. No fetus can ever compare to born person. Ever. It's the most ludicrous part of this debate to think otherwise. Even some pro-lifers can recognize this, and why it's only the most moral absolutist lunatics amongst the pro-lifers who don't.
Nobody has the right to demand that another person risk their life to save another. If the mother *chooses* to risk her life, that is her decision. But it must be her choice. It doesn't matter if the other person involved is a fetus or a full-born person.
Great to see the regular rabble of lifers claiming that the woman could have just gotten up and gone to another hospital. Yeah, you try and do that when you are in severe pain. And whoever it was who said that abortion to save the life of the mother is legal, its not. The Supreme Court ruled that it was okay to abort if the mothers life was in danger, and this included suicide. HOWEVER the government NEVER enacted that decision, so doctors have to choose whether to obey the courts, or the government. Its a very grey area. The fetus was non viable, and because it stayed in her for so long, it started to rot and caused the infection that killed her. Yet lifers would still prefer that she died because abortion is immoral. Well, I sure as (*)(*)(*)(*) hope that it ain't your wife in that situation. Imagine, sitting beside your dearly beloved telling her that she has to sacrifice her life for a fetus. And I thought we were in the 21st century.
She died because the dying fetus inside of her provoked an infection that generalized and killed her! When she arrived at the hospital, she was already in the process of a miscariage, and instead of helping her to complete the miscariage of the non-liveable fetus, they waited unti the heart beat of that 17 weeks fetus stopped before they would deliver her. By then it was too late! Te kind of sick comments you just made demonstrates a sick, unforgiving and evil nature as weell as a deep ignorance and insensitivity.
