"Wonders of the Universe": Entropy Always Increases

dont forget to add:

life: abuses entropy


and acreation shares a reversal, just in case people want to know.

for example; when you drop a rock, the speed increases and of greater release upon impact, from 20ft, versus 5ft........... ie... orderly increase of momentum


it is something few comprehend as occuring, naturally!

 

No one says it is uniform - but, using your themodynamics, teh fact that we have the eddies of mass and energy that increase in localized conditions isn't what we would expect is it?

Indeed, the entire thing could have simply exploded into radiant eneregy that never turned into anything at all.

And yet we see - across the expanding board - a steady increase in order rather than opposite of what you expect.

Tell me - how often to do you see explosions result in increasing order from an apparently random discharge of eneregy? Not very often do we.

Indeed, just like any other explosion, as teh universe continues to expand - that eneregy should become more and more diffuse to the point where it is eventually dilueted to the point of non-existance. That is not what happened.

And what did? Well, that is pretty extraordinary.

 

What I think people forget is that the universe started off with such a large amount of energy it will survive for at least 100 billion years before if starts feeling the effects of entropy. Since we are only about 14 billion years in, we still have a while. Meanwhile all that energy is moving from place to place and doing things like creating stars, planets and life.

Also, did you know that without entropy, life wouldn't be possible. It is the entropy of the sun (low entropy hydrogen turning into high entropy EM radiation) that allows life to exist on Earth.

 

Let me see if I can explain entropy to you.

The universe was created with a finite amount of energy. Every time energy is used for work, some of it is lost in the form of entropy. Now it doesn't disappear, it just changes into a form that cannot do work.

Early in the universe there was lots of energy, so much so that some of it turned into matter (e=mc2). This matter began to clump together and create stars which then reversed the process by turning the matter back into energy. This is how we get the sun. Then a chain of molecules of a small rocky planet gets enough of an energy boost from its nearest star to start replicating itself. These replicating molecules grow more complex as they receive more energy from their star and before you know it, life has begun.

Of course at each step there is energy loss due to entropy but with such an almost inconceivable amount of energy to start with, the effects are hardly felt and like other have said before, as long as the total entropy increases, you can most definitely have pockets of very low entropy.

Think of it like a tank of oil the size of our solar system. We can use the energy from the oil to create things and move things, but every time we do something with it, we lose it forever. Eventually we will use it up, but it will take a loooong time.

 

that no invokes the 1st law of thermodynamics (conservation)

rediculous

it (energy/light/em) is changed and now 'entangling' more mass, time/space. What you may consider 'to equlibrate' i tell you, entangle more mass.

now consider what 'acreation' is doing, literally?

what is gravity?

the elements (matter) are; energy (light) affixed in time

'fission' (release energy (light) upon splitting atoms (ie.... the missing mass, is light))

the evolutionary path of how energy combines mass to 'life' is found in the scope of comprehending how electromagnetism works in combining wavelengths into greater 'waves'. The mass is just the vehicle and each molecular structure within living things is sustaining the process of the metabolism to assist the 'life' (you and i) to comprehend itself.

We are 'it' realizing we exist within that process.

that is the old school

and it predicates on the 'c' (the speed of light being fixed)

They didnt realize how electrical theory proves the evolution of 'light'. You and i can combine colors and make our own rainbow!

because we know how to ride the light thing!

Anybody 'riding the light thing' to read these posts?

 

Bishadi, just so you know, I stopped reading your posts many months ago.

 

No D, that is not what it means.

What it means is that over time, things become less ordered naturally. And given that the universe is expanding, one would expect it to be showing LESS and LESS order - even as it show cases more order as it expands (at an increasing rate) thereby diffusing that single blast of energy that much faster.

Inside the system - we should see less order, not more - and yet, the universe has been steadily evolving into something more and more complex.

And all that from an explosion that by all rights should have just produced a fissil of radiated eneregy. Looks like matter driven universe is quite a bit more organized than it should be is just randomness were at play.

 

Hmmmm...it is 'gravity' that brings all together, that holds hydrogen tightly for 'fusion', and brings back exploding stars from super novas into new stars, that holds galaxies and solar systems together. So is 'gravity' in fact, God?! For scripture says that God, "Holds all in all."...or rather, an 'attribute' of the Creator of the universe...!!

 

no wonder your posts are so ignorant

 

I also stopped answering your posts several months ago...I am responding to this one as a suggestion meant in good faith, and not as a personal attack.

If you would not 'immediately' (and w/o cause) respond to any & all threads with animosity, name-calling, and contempt, your posts would have more weight in the conversation.

Just trying to be helpful....OD

 

There is no scientific basis to assert that the laws of thermodynamics support the existence of god.

 

another PERFECTLY understood thread

How many comprehend that this thread in itself is in the wrong section?

 

liars dont like to be judged by their peers


the attack is not by me. I am defending the minds of others, versus attacking unprovoked. I could be found as not allowing idiots to lie to others without having the brand to their head, that what they are doing is misleading what is real

you dont like me, because you cannot defend the lies that are being exposed

read the forum

read the internet

people are awakening


and the liars will eventually be extinct

you are being helpful

you show us all what wolves in sheeps clothing are like

i just fix the bite before people get infected

 

Sounds like you are beyond hope...never mind!

 

So, basically, you are not addressing any of the points made by anyone.

Thanks for the opinion.

 

Ok, I was way over complicating it (I tend to do that). Let me see if I can clear things up.

Entropy is the tendency for things to become more disorganized through time. The key word is "tendency". In physics, the word "tendency" has a specific meaning. It means that the event will happen if nothing interferes. So, if energy is added, you can increase organization at the cost of increasing entropy somewhere else. This means that as long as something has an energy source, it can increase in organization. Living organisms do this all the time. As long as we gain energy (metabolize glucose) we can over come entropy by keeping our molecules organized. As soon as we stop gaining energy (when we're dead) our bodies succumb to entropy and we decompose.

Now since energy cannot be created or destroyed (the first law of thermodynamics), if something is gaining energy, something else is losing it and so entropy is increasing in that object (unless it is also gaining energy from something else). In our case, our energy ultimately comes from the sun (through plants). This means that the sun is experiencing entropy as its orderly hydrogen is consumed.

First of all, the universe has not been evolving into something more complex, it is declining in complexity and entropy is increasing. There were more stars in the past than there are now.

Secondly, the Big Bang was not a fizzle of radiated energy, it was the total amount of energy of the universe today plus what has been lost due to entropy. That is a lot of energy.

Finally, as I have said on other threads, the organization of the universe is due to the laws of physics. Randomness is just a minor player.

 

It started in a low entropy state. Thermodynamics requires dynamics, after all. At the very start of matter, all energy would be available for work, because no work would have been done before then. Hence very low entropy. Only after work had been done by that matter did the entropy increase.

Note; the second law of thermodynamics does allow for entropy to remain constant when no work is done. There is also the possibility that the universe is an open system, meaning that the universe doesn't necessarily always gain entropy. The second law of thermodynamics assumes a closed system.

 

He was simplifying the matter for a television audience. In general, yes, entropy does increase in a closed system... but it does not constantly increase. An object that has reached a thermodynamic equilibrium will retain a constant level of entropy until it is brought out of equilibrium. This means that the distribution of entropy in the universe is not uniform, nor that it is continually increasing everywhere.

Fundamentally, from a classical standpoint, entropy is just a way of describing the state of energy within an object. Granted, there are other interpretations, particularly relating to information.

Nonsense. We live on a roughly spherical ball of dust that's reached a state of hydrostatic equilibrium due to gravity. That's not a 'sandcastle' in the sense you're describing it. You're posing human interpretations of beauty and complexity as some essential feature of our environment. It's not. It's a strange sort of equivocation fallacy.

 

You can see it on any clear day. It's that giant fusion reaction that's 1 AU away from Earth.

 

What a stupid opening title