Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took top-secret action to protect nuclear weapons

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  1. stone6

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    DoD has already stated he did nothing wrong. The President and Secretary of Defense have also issued similar statements. I seriously doubt JAG will even become involved. Why would they?
     
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    Sorry I tagged so many correctly that can’t face reality.
     
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    So then what assurance of a " Certainty " are you certain of.
    The way Biden has demonstrably Refused to Not Close our Border.
    That is practially Job one of a Potus.To maintain a secure and safe Country.
    With a Border patrol and catching of Illegals.
    I go back to a movie about this.It was a universal mindset among most
    every American.Concerning Illegals.
    - The Glass Wall - { 1953 } considered Neo-realism.
    It shoud be required watching for every member of Congress.
    Every Governor.To make sure they fully understand the gravity of
    Illegals gaining entry into the United States.It was taken extremely serious at
    that time.Same with Military Tribunals.
    Not no More.Therein lies the problemo.
     
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    Under the theory of Neorealism ... War is a possibility at any time.
    Under Biden that theory was not a possibility but a bullet point.
    Biden is fully on board itchin ' a fight every day with his rival political
    party.Plus all others not swearing an Oath to America's First ever
    Monarch.
     
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    Then make every member of DOD saying that go on record
    Under Oath ... swearing to it.
     
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    That is probably coming up in the January 6th hearings.
     
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    What definiton of Doubt are you using.
    A Doubting Thomas or a Doubting Public.If taken a poll I doubt
    Milley could handle the results.His likability couldn't be much worse.
    Getting worser by the day.By the hour.Even a broken clock has more
    credibility than this Milley bloat bag.
     
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    Yeah the bloat bag is guilty over that as well.Using it as excuse to
    mount a personal vendetta on a sitting President.Along with the
    Speaker { Pelosi } They boat in a heap of trouble.
     
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    The former President tried to overturn an election. Milley and Pelosi, along with others, from the Capitol Police and Party leadership, including the VP, stopped him. Once the usual suspects have been investigated and arrested, we can get on with their trials and get back to business.
     
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    LOL good luck with that! Who did he conspire with?
     
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    My theory is that he used a "go-between." A person who in turn, connected with the Oath Keepers, in a planned Capitol Building break-in. The goal was to either get a sufficient number of state elections reversed to either win the electoral college vote or tie and throw the election to the House, where Republicans could win on the basis of one state = one vote (Republicans have more States than Democrats). We pretty much know now that the break-in was planned in advance. If that foreknowledge was known by Trump, he would become a co-conspirator.
     
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    Your OP

    Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took top-secret action to protect nuclear weapons

    Rings true with another event from another era

    Teddy Kennedy used a secret message to get the Russians to intervene in Reagan’s 1984 re-election


    WTF, Democrats?


     
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    No, to the Commander-in-Chief, so long as one is Democrat.

    Wait… that’s not right!
     
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    It is always to the Constitution, no matter which party is occupying the White House
     
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    Whoever the "we" you refer to are, you all ought to call the FBI. They don't have any evidence the attack was planned in advance.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ex...ol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/
     
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    The 25th Amendment require VPOTUS to initiate the procedure, and the assent of 50%+1 of the Cabinet. So Secretary of this, Secretary of that, Secretary of the other, until you get half plus one. I would imagine that under extreme circumstances, this could be accomplished in literally minutes, because someone, somewhere, probably "just" the Whitehouse Switchboard, knows where all of those people are at all times. So a minute or two to notify VPOTUS, then the time it takes to call the switchboard and get everyone on the line (maybe 2-3 minutes), then a call to order, a quick briefing, and then a vote. In the event that a crazy or drunk or somehow otherwise incapacitated POTUS issues a completely nutty, off the wall, and nonsensical order to release nuclear weapons, a process which takes about half an hour anyway, you could have him 25th Amendmented within half of that time, leaving more than enough to call off the attack.

    It wouldn't surprise me if contingency plans already exist for just such a set of circumstances, because if I can think of it, so can whoever's job it is to ensure the security of our nukes in the event a rogue, crazy, or drunk POTUS issues an order that makes sense to anybody but himself, whether it's caused by sudden loss of mental capacity, intoxication, or whatever else may cause something of that nature to occur.

    This is something that, assuming it exists at all and isn't a figment of MY imagination (but if it doesn't exist, I'd say it damn well should), would be outside the prevue of the CJCOS as he's not on a "Need To Know" basis with the contingency plans of the Civilian side of the government, meaning he should have minded his own damn business and not tried committed Treason to prevent something that was never going to happen anyway, because he would never have been read in on the contingency that I just outlined in the first place.

    I know there are a lot of ifs, maybes, should bes, could bes, and other hypotheticals in what I just wrote, but it makes perfect sense to me. Except the idea of a 4-Star US Army General committing treason, despite the allegations, I still hope and pray that never happened and that it's all bullshit to begin with. But if it's not... Well, then, it is what it is, and however good intentioned his actions may have been, it's still Treason.
     
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    DoD, per se, is a very political animal at its highest levels -- easily susceptible to "blowing with the wind".

    But, a duly constituted JAG would follow the LETTER OF THE LAW, as amplified in the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

    Therefore, it is only logical to expect that the JAG will recommend that Gen. Milley is made to face court martial on possibly a variety of charges. Indeed, it is hard to imagine that an impartial JAG would NOT recommend a court martial....
     
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    What do you think the nuclear "football" that follows the POTUS everywhere he goes, and the codes kept in his pocket are for? Decoration??
     
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    Maybe you done dint git the memo_Obama had 8 years to emasculate
    our Military and weaponize agencies.Like the F.B.I.,CIA,and surely those
    at the State Dept.Now with these 2 clowns in charge of running the military
    by a suit { Biden is a career Pol },Austin & Milley who are Woke { Believe
    in the Importance of Critical Race Theory } ... What on Earth makes you believe
    that this JAG isn't compromised.
    It makes no sense that it ISN'T compromised.
    You are talkin' like some Grandpa who insists he helped General
    Custer { Graduated bottom of his class at West Point } train men
    for a coming Civil War
    Our ACLU has been compromised.It has the esteemed Alan Dershowitz
    up nights worrying about.Global Goldfinger George Soros is the largest
    Benefactor to the ACLU. Soros has been funding AG's around the country.
    And those like George Gascon { D.A. of Los Angeles } his prize weapon
    to unravel the City of Angels.
     
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    Launching a Nuclear weapon is no piece of cake.It takes many in
    a chain of Fail Safe measures.Now Launching a massive bomb like
    a Daisy Cutter or Rocket is more like a piece of cake.
     
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    Thanks for explaining the process in detail. I have a better understanding of it now.

    I'm not a political expert but there doesn't seem like there was any way, shape or form that Pence would initiate a 25th vote. Trump couldn't have asked for a more loyal VPOTUS. It breaks my heart that he was thrown under the bus over the certification process. I am proud that he kept his oath and honored his role to certify the votes according to our Constitution.

    As far as the allegations, it looks like Trump cult (different from Trump supporters) are twisting this into a pretzel and what Milley did was within the scope and responsibilities of his position. We'll know more once the book is released and, I assume, some kind of hearing takes place on who said what to whom, when, where and why. Nevertheless, based on what's out there now, it looks like he is cleared as he never said JUMP OVER the POTUS. He said "Follow the procedure and I'm part of the procedure." (or something close to that).
     
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    Your link is about a month old. But, it does state: "Prosecutors have filed conspiracy charges against 40 of those defendants (almost 600), alleging that they engaged in some degree of planning before the attack." The article also notes some of the 40 were "Proud Boys." This week, an arrested Oath Keeper, from Florida, pled guilty to conspiracy charges and agreed to a plea deal in exchange for turning states' evidence. According to other reports (and videos), the Oath Keepers also provided Roger Stone "security" during his attendance at the January 6th rally.

    The "plot" was not to overthrow the government, but to disrupt the joint session by breaking and entering during the count process, in hopes of overturning the election and either reversing the swing state certifications by state legislation interference or throwing the election to the House. And, conspiracies needn't be either successful or smart.
     
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    JAG also requires "probable cause." There is none.
     
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    The President does have "emergency powers" to RESPOND to an enemy attack...that doesn't extend to a first attack.
     
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    I don’t get it, why hasn’t stupid Xiden fired Milley yet? Why hasn’t stupid Xidens impeachment been scheduled yet?
     

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