You claim that God does not exist, part 2.

Atheists, please define "God" in your own words.

You claim that He does not exist. So What and Who does not exist? Explain this to me.

The onus is upon you to justify your doubts.

 

Here is a brief list of religions which define a God in which there is no falsifiable evidence.
One can only reach the conclusion that their definition of God does not exist until such time valid evidence is presented:

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religions

atheism: a disbelief in the existence of deity

deity: the essential nature or condition of being a god; divinity.

god: a being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler
of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.

conceived: to think of or create (something) in the mind.

Athesim = a disbelief of whatever someone else has thought up about a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler
of the universe without presenting valid falsifiable evidence that such a conception exists.

 

we were hoping nobody would take the bait again.

 

Yawn. Lets skip to the chase shall we?

ATHESTS YOU CANT DEFINE GOD THEREFORE YOU CANT NOT BELIEVE IN HIM NYAH NYAH NYAH I CANT HEAR ANYTHING YOU SAY LALALALALALA.

There, we can close the thread now.

 

I didn't ask for religious definitions of God.

I asked for ATHEIST definitions of God....why can't you atheists answer a simple question.

You claim that God does not exist....so, What or Who is it, that does not exist????

Explain this to me, if you're "so smart" as you claim to be? Admit it, atheists believe they're smarter than theists. So why can't you "smart" people answer such a simple question? Are you afraid of exposing your own bluster to truth?

 

You probably shouldn't expect many atheists to attempt a reasonable conversation with you when you demonstrate a fundamental ignorance of atheism and reason.

 

It's odd. As an Atheist you don't spend any time thinking about God at all or the definition of it/him/her - depending on your religion.

I guess God has been defined by theists primarily as they actually ask themselves what the word actually refers to. And from my point of view it is a definition by "them" who don't have "our" logic. I don't mean that condescending, but rather that I am not in the necessary realm to really understand what this word means to people. So any answer given has to be based on theistic interpretations. And I guess will see that in this topic rather quickly.

To me - because I was raised roman catholic - it's just an invisible friend who you believe is listening and willing to help you. The word "God" gives this invisible friend a name and makes it ok to ask that invisible friend for help even in adulthood. But I would feel it would be something you are meant to grow out of. Basically like kids who would have imaginary friends...

People who have severe problems turn to that imaginary friend and I understand that. Often they feel it actually helps them. They make deals with him which they then try to keep and improve their lives. etc. I don't understand average people with average problems asking invisible friends for help - especially in the industrialized G20 countries.

But to define the word "God"? It has to be answered from a theistic point of view as it is their word. Don't you think? It's pretty hard defining words if they are locked to one rather specific perspective. It's like defining "gravity" without entering the realm of "physics".

 

So assuming all definitions of God are "theistic", then what does this say about atheism? Atheists use theist definitions of God.

Therefore atheism is a REACTION to God, isn't it? What are atheists claiming does not exist?

Whatever a theist says. This proves the point. Whatever a theist says, the atheist exists only to contradict him. The atheist depends on the theist. But the atheist is unnecessary. The universe does not need atheists, but does need theists.

Theism is necessary and active. Atheism is unnecessary and reactive. Theist is the beginning. Atheist is the reaction, contradiction of theism.


Whatever a theist says about God, no matter how rational, logical, truthful, the atheist is never satisfied. The atheist only exists to doubt the theist. The atheist does not have a definition of God. So the atheist is an illogical, irrational position.

Therefore atheists are stupider and less intelligent than theists??

 

I certainly don't feel superior nor inferior to theists. And I think judging a bunch of people is simply the wrong approach. I'd appreciate if you ask questions without being condescending.

Definitions are by the nature philosophical questions. I have studied philosophy for only one year in college and it is not my field of expertise. Really a hard subject for me, especially if you want to understand the human mind properly. And to give you an example what I mean by definitions being philosophical I will ask to a very basic question: "Define a human being!" Now this might seem simple enough, but as you start describing what you feel might describe a human being, you will see that you either have to go into the field of biology or you start excluding people as humans. Whether it may be children, people with injuries or something else according to your definition. Or you start running into definition problems as you may run (as a theist) into the argument of "souls", which requires a definition by itself. I hope you might get the idea. Hence definitions of things are not something we all agree upon, but merely what we as a community or society vastly agreed upon. And to make matters even worse: words change meaning over the years. In this case the community of theists try to define the word "God".

You asked for the definition of the word "God" and I merely pointed out that this is not a definition atheists think about. Atheist means that we do not believe in the theistic beliefs. That means we just don't believe in the existence of what theists refer to as "God". But it's not a club nor is it something you do according to some book or something like that. Being an atheist just means that you may read the bible, Greek mythology and some novel by Stephen King but you don't believe that God or Zeus or the bad guy of the King-novel will kill you if you don't do what it said in the book. The definition of what God is though, is a theistic question. The "A" in atheist simply comes from Greek and means "without". So we are without the "theistic" beliefs. But as the definitions of God in theism will very so will those definitions coming from atheists. But they all base their arguments on definitions which they know and understand.

But this argument is irrational. As I pointed out you want people to define "Gravity" without ever going into "Physics" to repeat my example from the previous post.

If I start talking about names and definitions I read in Stephen King's novel or in Greek Mythology I need you to read it too for you to know what I'm talking about. That doesn't make the content of the book more or less true. The approach differs between atheists and theists on this really. I consider the Bible, Shakespeare, etc. on the same level. Entertaining, might even learn something, but it's not true. You believe the content is true. But we both had to read it in order to understand the words they used... God and the definition just happens to come from a group of people whose content atheists at least doubt.

There are stupid and smart atheists as there are stupid and smart people in any group of people. Please don't put everyone in the same basket.

 

You seem to be a liar, or, just widely ignorant of atheism.

Actually, in the first version of this thread, part 1, many atheists did attempt to define God.


Atheists defined God as:
Impossible
Nothing
Nothingness
Flying spaghetti monster
Boogeyman
Invisible
Not real


Atheists also define God in ways that blatantly contradict themselves:
Cruel
Mean
Evil
Dictator


I could go on, but why should I? You're not being honest here.


Atheists, define God, what are you all waiting for????????????????????

Are you scared???

 

As I pointed out, the definition will vary but we all had to hear a definition to know what we are talking about.

I took "invisible friend" approach who's "not real". So I had two of the few you listed.

But I don't see what makes me a lier. You can't be really ignorant of atheism as it is no club, or society or something like that. We don't meet. I don't even care what other atheists believe in. The definition of atheism merely refers to "not believing in whatever theists claim without proper evidence"

 

Okay I will give it a shot. The Divine Force is a being or beings outside of natural law that acts upon nature who existed eternally before said creation of the natural universe.

Of course there is therefore no way to test the Divine Force or detect in using the scientific method so I would say my position is one cannot test it so its unlikely to be as true as no Divine Force and the universe being a natural phenomenon.

 

Back up this claim.

 

As you can see, I gave you a definition. So what is your major malfunction?

Here is it again:

God: a being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler
of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.

conceived: to think of or create (something) in the mind.


Let's now replace "conceived" in the definition of God with it's full definition:

God: a being created in the mind as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler
of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.


And just in case you missed it, here is the definition again:

God: a being created in the mind as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler
of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.

I have a feeling all you plan on doing is using the no true Scotsman fallacy, which is a shame.

 

Most atheists use as definition most or all definitions that they have been presented with.

 

Do you believe in snargs? If not can you define a snarg and why you don't believe in it?

 

God is gravity and dark matter. The yin and the yang.

 

That's great, so how are you now an "atheist" when you believe in "divine force"???

Are you still an atheist?

 

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG

You atheists ARE a religion. You are a counter-religion, not an anti-religion. Atheism is a religious reaction to religion. Atheism only exists to contradict what theists say. So therefore atheists are dependent upon theists, but theists are not dependent upon atheists.

You define God as "not real".

So if I, or any TRUE CHRISTIAN, defines God as "real", then we obviously have a disagreement and contradiction of terms.

Atheists claim that God is "unreal". Theists claim that God is "real". So people are working from two opposite starting points.

 

He didn't say he believed in a divine force.

Why did you start this thread? are you a troll?

 

I already did, just read and accept logic.

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I'm asking for ATHEIST DEFINITIONS OF GOD, learn to read. I am NOT ASKING for Christian and religious definitions of God.

I am asking for ATHEISTS to define Him.

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And what if I do believe in snargs?

 

Let me redo this definition "Okay I will give it a shot. The Divine Force is a being or beings outside of natural law that acts upon nature who existed eternally before said creation of the natural universe.

Of course there is therefore no way to test the Divine Force or detect in using the scientific method so I would say my position is one cannot test it so its unlikely to be as true as no Divine Force and the universe being a natural phenomenon."

as

"Okay I will give it a shot. The pink elephant with purple dots that flies in the sky and poops upon evil people and gives flowers to good people is a being or beings outside of natural law that acts upon nature who existed eternally before said creation of the natural universe.

Of course there is therefore no way to test the pink elephant with purple dots or detect in using the scientific method so I would say my position is one cannot test it so its unlikely to be as true as no pink elephant and the universe being a natural phenomenon."

And no, I don't believe in pink elephants with purple dots anymore than I believe in a god however a religion defines it.

It really is up to religions to define god(s), not up to non-believers

 

If God is gravity, then atheists don't believe in Gravity, and claim Gravity does not exist??????????

 

The same reason I started the first thread of this type.

I want to expose how flawed, illogical, reactionary, and emotion driven Atheism is. Atheists claim a lot about God. Yet they obviously have no clue what they're talking about.

Atheists can't even define God a little bit, on their own terms. Therefore how can they claim God doesn't exist, when they don't know what they're talking about???


Let's say a doctor starts talking to another doctor, about a rare disease called "Trechlocretinitis". Now I walk into the conversation, I'm an atheist, and I tell them they're stupid for believing in Trechlocretinitis, and that it doesn't exist.

The doctors will stare at me in bewilderment, think I'm stupid and crazy, and tell me to leave.

This is what an atheist attempts to do with TRUE Christians. The atheist doesn't have the SLIGHTEST CLUE what they're talking about.

 

Look up Saint Anselm in Wiki and stop arguing with insults. Very few people are real atheists as, no, nobody can PROVE that God doesn't exist, but rather many are agnostics leaning toward non-belief as there is no proof one way or the other and it seems a wish fulfillment thing. (If God exists you will live forever.)