Just a flat out liar. As the word is used in United States constitutional law since Roe v. Wade, viability is the potential of the fetus to survive outside the uterus after birth, natural or induced, when supported by up-to-date medicine
Your first link is from an astrophysicist who is obviously a biased anti-abortionist and who has misunderstood the Guttmacher data. The Guttmacher link shows that 25% of abortions are either because of fetal health or the health of the woman. https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf Page 116 Table 6 Too bad you didn't learn anything from your own Guttmacher link. - - - Updated - - - Your misunderstanding of RvW is your problem.
Typical abortionist, didn't read the link. The first link repeated data and charts from Alan Guttmacher Institute, the FBI (related to rape & incest), and JAMA. The net result from Guttmacher was that 7.5% of all abortions were for rape, incest, health of the mother (not life of the mother, but the vague "health of the mother"), possible fetal problems (note its "possible" fetal problems"). 92.5% of abortions were elective. Once again, you did not read the report. Typical abortionist, just grab onto the first tidbit you see without understanding the context or meaning. The explanation in the report for Table 6 is: "Women also cited possible problems affecting the health of the fetus or concerns about their own health (13% and 12%, respectively).* Respondents wrote in a number of specific health reasons, from chronic or debilitating conditions such as cancer and cystic fibrosis to pregnancy-specific concerns such as gestational diabetes and morning sickness." That's right, that 12% concerned about their own health included everything from significant illness such as CF all the way to "morning sickness". Morning sickness is not an excuse to kill the baby. And the respondents were allowed to give multiple excuses for an abortion. Was it 25% that claimed health of the baby or mother, or was it 13% that gave both answers? And how many claimed a trivial excuse such as "morning sickness"? The first AGI report was much more precise, giving 92.5% as elective abortion. Oh that's right, you didn't read that report, I guess its just too much for you to bear?
Your first link wasn't from Guttmacher at all. Do some research on the author and you will discover that he is an astrophysicist with an anti-abortion agenda. He simply misquoted AGI in order to further his agenda. Your disparagement of both the actual Guttmacher study findings and the women who had health problems during their pregnancies as "trivial" that you dismiss says volumes about your own anti-abortion agenda. On the positive side you have managed to disparage your own credibility on this topic. Have a nice day.
People who are pro-choice are not "abortionists" as that is a term applicable only to those actually performing the procedure, Since that appellation is in error I suspect the rest of your post to be as erroneous and not worth reading
Good for pointing this out. The pro-abortion organizations can cleverly word things to obscure the actual data in the statistics.
Stephen Hawking is not relevant to the debate on fetal viability. Fetal viability is when the *fetus* can live outside the woman's body.
Please provide a list of "pro-abortion" organizations. ....they should be entrenched in your mind....where's the list???
funny thing is that Hawkins was actually born without any issues, his amyotrophic lateral sclerosis did not start until he was about 21, prior to that and on the advent of his birth he met the viability designation of Roe.
But he can communicate quite intelligently which shows he has a functioning brain. His caretakers all perform that function voluntarily, albeit with pay, but you want to force an unwilling care provider to remain pregnant with no compensation. So it's simple, the differences are: 1. a brain, and 2. voluntary caregiving.
I personally don't believe in abortions for the most part, but I believe that contraception should be readily available and inexpensive for every woman, in every part of the world. That being said, I would not hesitate at all to have an abortion if I was infected with the Zika virus, and pregnant. FYI: They have found the Zika virus to be sexually transmitted. How strange. If the mosquitos that carry this virus go 'world wide', we might be witnessing a strange and brutal form of population control.
I suppose the question to ask is would you stop another woman from getting an abortion even if you did not agree with it?
Just remembered I haven't got that list of "pro-abortion organizations" yet....are you getting it ready??
A fetus conceived from a rape, and one conceived during consensual sex is different--to the woman. I knew a woman who was more or less raped when she was younger. The incident wasn't violent, but she understood what was going to happen. She became pregnant. She hated the thought of conceiving a child with the man, and said she hated the child. Abortions were illegal so she had the baby and put it up for adoption; and never looked back. Today, she is glad that she didn't abort it, but she has no desire to become acquainted with the person whom person she put up for adoption. She considers herself just a surrogate mother for the people that adopted him. She got married 10 years later. She now has two children that she loves unconditionally. This is the difference between a fetus conceived during a rape, and one that was conceived during consensual sex.
NO, RAPE IS RAPE there is no "kinda " rape, no "more or less" raped, it's all rape and all rape is a violent assault. It is force, that by it's nature, is violence. Again, no matter what anyone, even the woman, thinks , there is NO difference scientifically between a fetus caused by rape and a fetus brought about by consensual sex. READ THIS: The abortion procedure is exactly the same for both fetuses. SO those who will "allow" women to have an abortion due to rape are stating clearly that they wish to punish women who have had consensual sex by forcing THEM to give birth. Hardly a Repub I believe women are people who should have the same rights as men....that is NOT what Repubs think....
Wow! An expert on rape, women, fetuses, and how women feel about such things. Whatever. I feel sorry for your wife. This post is supposed to be about the Zika virus anyway.
So you are free to prove me wrong..... .it is about the Zika virus and women's right to have an abortion. Why do you feel sorry for my wife. I believe ALL women have a right to choose either abortion or pregnancy and child birth...
Because you are a pushy, arrogant know it all, even when it comes to women's issues. Poor wife. The definition of rape is being forced into having sexual intercouse. Some definitions say "violently forced". These definitions were obviously written by men--probably men who in my definition of the word probably raped a few young women themselves. My definition of rape would be: Being forced either through emotional and psychological domination or trickery, or forced violently to have sexual intercourse. You are the one that got off the topic when you interjected, for some strange reason, telling us that all fetuses are the same. And I said maybe biologically, but sometimes not according to the mother that is carrying in them. Case closed.
I'm sorry but it's funny that you think you can prove a point by claiming "Case closed" ... Sorry, but the act of rape is a violent act. YOU may not think so but you feel sorry for my "wife" ? Any woman I would ever know had been raped would get my utmost understanding of how traumatic it was for her . I would not brush it off as not so bad because she wasn't beaten or killed. You denigrate what a woman goes through in rape and you feel sorry for MY "wife"? A fetus is a fetus no matter what the woman it's in calls it. The point is that when someone makes an exception for abortion because the woman had been raped but doesn't think a woman who had consensual sex should be "allowed" an abortion clearly shows they want women punished for having consensual sex.....if you only calmed down and read that you might see the point.
