fighting obesity by restrictions on food stamps

No it doesn't I have lived on less than $40 a week on groceries and I eat A LOT. Eggs, whole grain bread, potatoes, cheese, bags of carrots are dirt cheap, peanut butter (the real stuff not that fake jiffy crap) and so on. Buy chicken or fish instead of beef for the protein at a much lower cost. In fact when I was scratching for every dollar I ate healthier than I do now where I find myself eating fish fries and putin every weekend and pizza and making lots of pastas with Italian sausages the rest of the week.

The biggest determinant of cost is quite simply which store you go to. If you buy lots of grocery's and (*)(*)(*)(*)ty rip off places like Whole Foods or some other snobbish grocery store then you will pay easily twice as much as if you went to Aldi's or Woodman's or for a national example Walmart. Woodmans and Aldis are still cheaper but they are not everywhere at least Woodmans isn't.

You cannot logically support the school lunch program and at the same time claim that somehow restricting what you buy with EBT cards is violating someone's rights. Especially when you consider that many of those EBT cards belong to people with children who end up getting the food.

It isn't their money, they are taking it from someone else and as such other people have every right to tell them how to spend it.

 

The problem in my opinion is that they get too much food stamps. As a person who used to receive them---I can state that budgeting is usually not necessary when you have food stamps.

I remember when my husband was the bread winner and I stayed home with the kids, I had a certain amount I could spend. We did not have enough money to buy chips...unless it was one bag and allocated ONLY to the lunch meal. No snacking allowed, unless it was bread and butter, sliced apples, celery. Fruit was expensive but I always bought a bag of apples as they were the cheapest and my kids to this day LOVE their daily apple.

You can do fine on the quick processed foods. They don't make you fat. Its the snacking that gets ya. And snacking only comes with excess money.

 

Let us assume there is a national will to guarantee no person is malnourished in America
and this is why - - - "food stamps".

Requiring food stamps only being used to purchase American agricultural products was to obviously aid the Farmer, now the Mega Corp. <maybe multi national, not real American>

Imagine food stamps only being accepted for real "meat", chicken, fish, fruits, whole nuts and veggies and nothing more.
Those needing food stamps are nourished better than if they have to budget meatless spaghetti around Hamburger Helper - with less meat.

The current system of food stamps and budgeting menus drives people toward carbohydrate sustenance little better than the all ramen diet.

It is ridiculous to believe poor folks budgeting food stamps that minimally cover their cheapest carb based diets can afford to purchase "good stuff".
Or to believe they would buy good stuff if given more funds after decades of carbs & carbs.
That is why we need a Food Stamp limited to the purchase of "Good Stuff".


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Or we could just revise our subsidy programs so instead of promoting crops that help contribute to the obesity epidemic, we could support fruits and veggies.

 

Actually, the whole damn "food stamp" program is just a big pile of unconstitutional, socialist horse****. It never should have been started in the first place, and it should be gotten rid of immediately. If we can weaken it by any means, including cutting off benefits to these lazy, lard-assed parasites who won't work for a living because they are obese, the SO BE IT!

 

Don't stop there TRFjr. Let's also regulate their smoking, drinking and sex habits. After all, these activities have a direct effect on their health. Only problem is, how will we monitor them? I KNOW. We will make it mandatory for them to wear cameras and also have cameras in their homes. After a while they will all be healthy. Viola!

 

You are right. It does cost more money to eat healthy.

 

my tax money isn't going towards their booze or cigs what they do with their own money they earned is their own dam business

 

What they do with their food stamps is their own business too.

 

no because I and every other tax payer pays for it when you become dependent on some one you have to follow the rules of who you are dependent on it is the trade off you suffer for being a dependent

 

OK. So this means my dependent children must do whatever I want them to do at all times because I'm the one supporting them? I bet all the parents of teenagers will be happy to hear this. Thanks, TRFjr.

 

I agree totally with not allowing food stamps to be used for non-food items, but other than that, it should be up to the individual. Few foods are unhealthy in moderation.

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But then the rest of us will go to different grocery stores, if your staples are priced too high.

 

yes
do you allow your children to not follow your rules? and when they become a nondependent and move out they follow their own?

 

No.The logical conclusion is that anyone who does anything for you - your employer, your teachers, your creditors, your insurers, even your friends - has the right to command and control any aspect of your life. No one wants to live that way, and it's obviously in contradiction to the American tradition of liberty.

If you're a typical lib, you'll respond that all these people and institutions know better than you do how you should live. But what if they don't? Anyone who's followed science and medicine for decades, as I have, sees that new research often contradicts yesterday's certainty.

For example, in the 1970s, everyone "knew" that carbs were good for you, and fats were bad. Book after book urged people to eat more white bread and rice, and less animal protein and dairy. People scratched their heads over the "French Mystery" - how the French could eat so many fats yet still be healthier than Americans. Millions of people still believe this, yet medicine now says the opposite - refined carbs are bad, while fat in moderation is good. This is only one example from among many.

We don't know as much as we think we do. Today's certainties are often overturned by tomorrow's research. So the worst thing is for "benevolent," but foolish and dictatorial authorities to compel orthodoxy. A wide variety of behavior is real-world research that shows us what's actually best. Keep the bureaucrats out of the country's kitchens.

 

Children don't always follow their parents rules. That's why we have teens drinking, using drugs, smoking, getting pregnant, etc. And all the while their parents are still supporting them in most cases. Just because someone is your dependent doesn't mean you can control their every move. P.S. My kids never did any of these things. They were angels.

 

you have to follow your employers rules, teachers, creditors, insurers, and even your friends on certain circumstances
do you not agree to follow your employers rules when you decide to work for him? do you not have to follow your teachers rules when you are in their class room? do you do not have to follow your creditors rules when you receive credit from them? do you not have to follow your insurers rules when you obtain insurance from them? and are you not required to follow a friends rules like if you borrow money from him or borrow his car or enter is house?

 

so because rules are not always followed we should not have any is that what you are implying?

 

You're dreaming. For deadbeats, alcohol and drugs are their first priority so the money they know they're going to get goes there. A local bar in our town allowed mothers collecting checks from Aid to Dependent Children to run a bar tab on the condition they cash their welfare check at the bar so the bar tab got paid first. You are also paying for rent and medical care. And, you're helping with food stamps which can be traded for liquor or drugs. So, your fantasy that deatbeats earn the money for the alcohol and drugs is just that, a fantasy.

 

and im against cash benefits going towards the needy and if vouchers like food stamps are used for other then what they are attended for then they need to crack down heavily on that fraud

 

END FOODSTAMPS ALTOGETHER. Let's get to work on Soylent Green. Get it down to the basic nutritional daily needs, Make some sweet, make some salty, make some bland. Then put up some Soylent Green Distribution Centers. Easy to get to by bus, trolley etc. Have the folks come and get their Soylent Green once a week.(that will get them off the couch and out and about) They could pick the ones they wanted (sweet, salty, bland) or get variety packs. Add some flavor packets. Beef, chicken, pork, some bazaar vegan flavors. Problem solved. And very liberal I might add. Everyone eats 'equally'.

 

Would you eat Soylent Green? If not, don't suggest it for others, please.

 

OK, we won't call it Soylent Green. We'll call them MFFs (meals for free).

 

Employers can make rules regarding what you do on the job. Your private life is beyond their right, even though some employers try to make it so. The same thing goes for the others. Mastercard has no business telling me what to eat. Neither does my car insurer, etc. Institutions can make rules governing their business. They have no sovereignty over our lives.

 

If you ask me, "fighting obesity" would not be a good reason to restrict EBT purchases. HOWEVER, that said, I think restricting EBT to healthy, wholesome foods still makes sense, because it really does not make sense for the government to subsidise junkfood, a total non-essential, for individuals or families in need of basic sustenance, the provision of which presumably is why that program exists in the first place. It makes no more sense for EBT to cover those things than it would for EBT to cover cigarettes.

 

I would have to say the issue is seeing vastly Morbidly Obese People getting two shopping carts worth of FOOD for FREE using a Food Stamp. Program Card....and I have seen this myself.

It is a FACT that the food that is inexpensive tends to be HIGH CALORIE HIGH CARBOHYDRATE FOODS....but even though I am extremely wealthy I came from VERY humble beginnings.

My Great Grandparents and Grandparents were either FARMERS or had very large gardens and some animals they used for milk and eggs as well as for slaughter.

I am 5th Generation American and my family on both sides was poor monetarily but as far as being able to feed themselves and create their own employment...they were very RICH in that sense.

My parents were the first children to go to College on either side of the family and my Dad was Military and my Mom was a..."CIVILIAN"....in the quotes denote...Aid to a USAF General who ran a massive SAC...Strategic Air Command base in Massachusetts where large numbers of B-52's would sit on runways loaded with many Thermonuclear Bombs just waiting to get the call.

My first 3 years alive we lived in a cellar apartment and them my Dad bought land and built a very large home.

But my point is even when my Mom and Dad and even myself when I was born....they and my parents and now myself.....ALWAYS GREW OUR OWN FOOD....and although I do not have chickens or cows I do have a very large Organic Garden and I have the guy who cuts my large lawn unload his grass collector containers from his Pro Lawn Mower and he dumps them between my rows of vegetables and fruits.

I have him instead of him paying to dump all the grass cuttings he gets weekly all spring, summer and fall....I have him dump it on a large pile next to my garden and this composts and I get awesome composted soil from it and I spread it over my garden in the spring before Rototilling.

He is happy because he saves money and I am happy because the compost is fantastic for growing fruits and vegetables as well his pouring out my grass clippings between my planting rows prevents weeds from growing as I use no chemicals except Lyme Granuals which corrects over acidic soil PH in Mass....and that grass clippings also heats up the soil and causes fast and healthy plant growth as well as adds Nitrogen and other goodies to the soil.

Now I have a large garden for one person....about 75 feet across and 30 feet in depth....but I cage the Tomato Plants and by using the Grass Clippings to stop weed growth it is extremely easy to maintain as I am not around all the time.

As well....I grow so much food I give it away to all my neighbors....my parents....my family and co-workers and still have bushels upon bushels of food to donate every week to the local Open Pantry and Survival Center to help those hungry.

I freeze and can and things like Red and Green Cabbages can sit all winter in my shed and I grow Brussel Sprouts which can remain on their large stems and continue to grow through the winter slowly and they stay on the stem till needed.

I guess when I see a 400 lbs woman with Morbidly Obese children with two full shopping carts of Pop Tarts and Cup Cakes and Candy and CRAP NUTRICION FROZEN MEALS and CHIPS and ICE CREAM....well I get a little sad and a bit mad.

I mean...if I am extremely wealthy and I take the time and effort which really is not all that much effort....to be able to grow enough food to feed several hundred people weekly.....WHY THE HELL CAN'T THEY!!!???

Even a small 10 foot by 10 foot garden can supply a family of 5 with all the vegetables they need through spring, summer and fall and even winter if they preserve their bounty.

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