Is killing an abortion doctor murder or self defense?

The government has a monopoly on use of force to dissuade people. That's why pro-lifers are working to change the law.
If doctors fear the repercussions, they won't carry out contract killings on women's unborn children. When it starts becoming impossibly difficult to find an abortion doctor willing to perform abortions of convenience, then the abortion rate will start going down.

 

The fetus doesnt become a person based on whether or not the mother wants it.

 

I dont quite understand your analogy. How would bamboo and coconuts cause an accident in that situation?

 

Good question. I would save the baby, not the fertilized eggs. The baby has a mind and awareness. It's worth more than the eggs.It also has way more cells.

 

Like who? You couldnt possibly be referring to protestors.

 

It's been proven to you numerous times that the legality of abortion does not affect the abortion rate.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21255186/...h/t/abortion-rates-same-whether-legal-or-not/
"Women are just as likely to get an abortion in countries where it is outlawed as they are in countries where it is legal, according to research published Friday."

 

How would you define "malice" in the context of murder? Cant you argue all premeditated murder is done with malice?

 

Maybe we should stop criminalizing infanticide too. If laws do nothing to dissuade women from killing their unborn children, something tells me these same types of laws also do nothing to dissuade women from killing their own born babies too. Why punish women for something they're going to do anyway?

 

There is a long held consensus in society that infants are people, therefore legalized infanticide would cause massive chaos in society. That is not true of abortion.

The fact that "pro-lifers" advocate forced birth, rather than policies that actually work to reduce abortion rates reveals dubious motives.

 

Why? Wasn't society able to be perfectly orderly under slavery?

“The greatest destroyer of peace is abortion because if a mother can kill her own child, what is left for me to kill you and you to kill me? There is nothing between."
— Mother Teresa

What if society changed its consensus?

Well of course Pro-Lifers want to make women give life, that's why they're called "Pro-Lifers" !

 

Like those responsible for abortion clinic violence, and those who foment it.

 

Um, wasn't there a war or something?

So this country could be like Latin American countries with rampant abortion rates?

How can they be pro-life when they choose tactics that don't work to reduce abortion rates, and reject tactics that do?

 

Protestors dont foment it.

 

I see someone who doesn't have a clue what "self defense " means voted that killing a doctor is self defense.


Wonder if they could explain how , if a doctor does not attack or harm them HOW it could be self defense if they kill the doctor....don't they know what "self " means?!?!?! DUHHHHHHHHHHHH. (If you don't know what little words like "self" mean you really shouldn't be commenting.....)

I wonder how they would explain to the judge how they can claim self defense when they weren't attacked or harmed....

 

latin american countries have a diferent population and density than the US

 

Why? it never has before....

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No, it's not a person at all.........and doesn't become one until it's born....

Now ..back to the TOPIC.

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Utter BS.....

 

Murder. No charges, no trial. A civilized society frowns upon such things. I am anti abortion but also believe in freedom and think the answer is education so until abortion is a settled issue ( I don't think it ever will be) then one cannot take the law into their own hands.

 

Which, of course, has NOTHING to do with the abortion rate.....or the fact that making abortion illegal doesn't stop abortions...

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It's settled, it's legal....the only unsettling part is RepubRighties trying so hard to take away women's rights to their own bodies....

 

It is not settled socially but we are a nation of law so killing an abortion doctor would be murder.

 

Yes, it would be murder and hardly "self-defense" as some Anti-AbortionChoicers so "wisely" thought

Abortion is settled legally and most polls show that a majority want it legal whether they agree or not with abortion.

As I said, if Repubs left women's rights alone and minded the business of running a country instead of trying to make 50% of the population slaves there would be nothing unsettled.

 

You do seem to ignore the fact that many believe killing a baby is the ultimate violation of rights that far superceeds a woman's choice to have sex.

 

This is the abortion forum, not the "killing babies" forum. No babies are killed in abortions, no "persons" are killed in abortions.

Choosing to have sex is NOT choosing to be pregnant. Nor does it compare in any way to "killing babies"...

You do seem to ignore facts....

 

Then you do not have a foundation for understanding the debate.

 

I think you just found you can't respond to the debate....you have to use facts. For example , a fetus is not a baby. If you can't accept facts...welllll.....