The Human Cost of illegal immigration.........

Discussion in 'Immigration' started by El Cid, Jun 9, 2015.

  1. Dispondent

    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's the attempt, but their legal classification would be alien, can't see why that term shouldn't be used, as it would be correct...
     
  2. Kranes56

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    Illegal immigration, it's a good example of alliteration. It rolls off the tongue better.
     
  3. Dispondent

    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So that's the standard? If it sounds good it's ok? Congrats to the Dept. of Indoctrination, they taught you well...
     
  4. Kranes56

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    Yes they did. They taught me to look past the rhetoric and see why we use words. Illegal immigration is just a phrase, it's meant to evoke feelings in a person, not understanding. I don't like the term, but it is used, so a better question to ask is why is it used?
     
  5. Gorn Captain

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    What would be the legal classification for a three-armed, purple being from the Zeta-II Reticuli star system if they became a U.S. naturalized citizen?

    :)
     
  6. Liquid Reigns

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    What you are describing is the difference between an infraction and a violation. A felony most certainly is a crime, so is a misdemeanor, both are violations of law. An infraction is a punishable by a fine, a violation is punishable by jail time. http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclope...meanors-infractions-classification-33814.html

    You don't make any since, a felony is a crime, unlawful presence isn't a felony.
     
  7. Liquid Reigns

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    He can exclaim what he wants, doesn't mean he will get it.

    Some may very well stay home, but the overwhelming majority don't look at immigration as a high priority and know that it is Congress that controls immigration and not the President.

    You think that just because a person is elected that his entire agenda is supported? :roflol:
     
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  9. Pax Aeon

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    I guess you conveniently missed the part where the poster advocates "killing" those who cross the border illegally. Securing the border is one thing. Treating humans with contempt and utter disdain, is another and is about as low as your can go in the fecal/puss covered cesspool of conservative xenophobia.

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  10. Liquid Reigns

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    And had it not happened in the US to a US Citizen girl by a person that should not be here to begin with, then there never would have been a rape.

    Sure it does, nothing you say makes any since, its all philosophical bull (*)(*)(*)(*).

    Had the illegal immigrant not been here there would have been no rape. :yawn:
     
  11. Kranes56

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    I knew I was messing something up. It's not a crime because it's carried out as a criminal offense.
     
  12. Liquid Reigns

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    That's pure assumption and an asinine one to make.

    Do we not condemn it wherever it happens?

    Would it help you if I told you you were wrong? Obviously it hasn't helped you even when I showed you you were wrong. Most illegals, the majority, are EWI violators. Only about 40% are visa overstays. :roll: Unlawful entry is a crime, first offense is a federal misdemeanor, the second a federal felony.

    One entered in violation of both US law and international law, the other was allowed entry via US law and international law. :roll:
     
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    We should actively fight against invasion. That's one of the military's responsibilities.
     
  14. PatriotNews

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    It's a crime that you don't know the definition of "unlawful".
     
  15. Liquid Reigns

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    Its a criminal misdemeanor.

    let’s look at this from the perspective of the court system. If I am the one going against you in court, it is a civil matter, if the government is taking you to court, whether it is State or Federal, it is criminal matter.

    In civil law, a private party (a corporation or individual person) files the lawsuit and becomes the plaintiff. In criminal law, the litigation is always filed by the government, who is called the prosecution.

    Criminal law is much better known to laymen than civil law. They often misapply principles from criminal law to situations in civil (e.g., tort) law, which results in their misunderstanding.

    Illegally entering the US is a crime (entry without inspection, i.e. “Violators of Conditions of Entry”). Unlawful presence is also a crime (legally entered visa overstay, i.e. "Nonimmigrant Status Violators"). Both violations are removable offenses under the Immigration Act. As deportable aliens are not citizens of the U.S., they do not have the same rights as a U.S. citizen or Legal Permanent Resident. Their deportation hearing takes place before an immigration judge. Since the penalty is deportation and/or a fine and/or jail time (civil and criminal penalties), many people think of the Immigration Court as a civil court. In fact, the Immigration Court is a criminal court, as it is the government prosecuting the offense.

    But immigration proceedings are matters of administrative law, not criminal law. (As a result, the consequence of violating your immigration status is deportation.) Because immigration is considered a matter of national security and foreign policy, the Supreme Court has long held that immigration law is largely immune from judicial review. Congress can make rules for immigrants that would be unacceptable if applied to citizens. Congress has nearly full authority to regulate immigration without interference from the courts.

    When deportable aliens are prosecuted under criminal law, instead of being expelled through an administrative proceeding, those accused have the right to a jury trial and all the rules of evidence apply as mandated by the Equal Protection Clause. The government is burdened with "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" and the following punishment may actually be considered a Misdemeanor as Section 1325 suggests below; “for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both.”


    Immigration court is an administrative proceeding, no right to an attorney, they must pay for their own.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/s...-detainees-and-the-right-to-counsel.html?_r=0
     
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    The severity of the crime. Not all crimes are felonies, yet all felonies are crimes. Sometimes a number of misdemeanors can become a felony, such is the case with a second EWI which is a federal felony.
     
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    I reject your scapegoat of a premise because once again your refusal to condemn the illegal invasion represents support for the atrocities they commit.

    After reading your many, many, posts supporting the illegal invaders its very clear where you stand.

    So I'm going to put your position bluntly and even though you will come back and deny it, we all can see it is the truth.

    YOU SUPPORT INVADING DEGENERATE PIECES OF FILTH COMING INTO AMERICA AND RAPING OUR CHILDREN.

    Its really just that simple.
     
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    Why would an irrelevant factoid you cannot possibly substantiate change my argument?

    The fact is, we have established some of them have committed crimes, and many do after getting there. We
    have established that the pipeline is used to ferry narcotics across the border, and many of the illegals are gangsters in the drug and slave trades.

    But Canada, your sphincter tightens up and the guns come out, terrified of (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Maple Syrup.

    (*)(*)(*)(*) that, your cheap labor tries to come here, Her Majesty's Loyal government offers them concentration camps, and a one way ticket back to where they came from...the USA.

    Have fun with your crime rate, the over crowded prisons, but take solace in the fact fat-cat, socialist movie stars can get cheap gardening.
     
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    A naturalized citizen.
     
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    It's not a crime because it's carried out as a criminal offense.???? You still don't make since. All criminal offenses are crimes, it is the level of severity that classifies it as infraction, misdemeanor, or felony. If the same infraction is continuously done by the same person that can escalate the crime classification from infraction to misdemeanor to felony, i.e. EWI first offense is a Class 4 Federal Misdemeanor, and the second offense is a Class 6 Federal Felony. Unlawful presence is an infraction, punishable by deportation.
     
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    We take more immigrants than any other country. Unless you are advocating for open borders, so anyone who wants to come here can come, then we're doing more than our fair share.
     
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    You think the came all the way from Central America, to rape, and then leave?
     
  23. Lil Mike

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    Reticulian-American?
     
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    No they come for the welfare, they enter as invading criminals, and they don't necessarily leave once they've raped.

    The places they come from don't discourage rape or sex with children.

    So consider the mindset.

    A criminal that has no regard for forceful sex with children.

    They give into their desires and then realize we punish that thing here, or at least that we used to, and so they scurry off till the heat dies down either back across the border or to another state.

    Since they're undocumented we cant really tell until they strike again, and according to FBI data nearly all of them strike again ...and again ...and again ...and again.
     
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    As far as I can tell you went on and on and on and then agreed with everything I said.
     

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