Not when they enter OUR Country "illegally", which refers to "iIlegal" and "Alien" meaning not FROM THIS Country!! Really straight forward and simple.....for most..
Studies say that more than 40% of those who are here without papers did NOT cross the border illegally. One popular way has been to cross with a legally obtained visa and then overstay. Also, the fact that crossing the border illegally is a crime doesn't help much, as it would be necessary to give the guy a lawyer and go to court to prove that is what he did. The same would go if you wanted to prosecute other crimes this person may or may not have committed.
Yes. You're catching on! I stated clearly that the "go stand in line" epithet flies in the face of the fact that there exists no line for these people. While we don't officially recognize the horrendous circumstances in the states from which the children came, we should remember that it requires some very serious concern to send your children unattended on a thousand mile journey through countries south of our border where the children are left to beg for our mercy. What would cause YOU to do that with YOUR kids? That is a hugely impressive statement of dire circumstances - one which we should not ignore. Obviously, we can't just accept all the children of the world, but we're not being asked to. And, there are other approaches than dumping children on a different side of some border.
Even allowing a tourist visa to expire is a crime, it's a civil crime not a criminal crime. Using someone else SSN to get a job is a felony, a criminal offense. U.S. citizens usually get sent to prison for years for identity theft. Any alien working in the USA without authorization has committed a crime. Any male illegal alien who hasn't registered with the Selective Service Administration with in 30 days after illegally entering the country or after his visa has expired has committed a crime. Yes there's a Catch-22, even illegal aliens have to register for the draft. Giving an alias name to a law enforcement officer is a crime. Most illegal aliens from Latin America use an alias. Wiping your butt in a public restroom after dropping a deuce and disposing the feces toilet paper on the floor should be a crime but cultural-Marxism says such a law would be racist.
Yes. It's a civil misdemeanor to be here without papers. If it were a crime (and we charged the perp with that crime), then criminal statutes would apply and the accused would get an attorney. And, that big block of law you quoted had nothing to do with what I was saying, so why did you bother?? The real point is that it's highly unlikely that we would be interested in charging someone without papers for any immigration crime unless there were other circumstances - such as some offense against a citizen here, a repeat immigration offense, etc. In almost every case, our primary interest is in deportation. And, that is best handled outside of any criminal proceeding whatsoever.
As far as you can tell? If they are tried for a crime in criminal court, i.e. shoplifting, fraud, etc they are entitled to an attorney just like any other person in civil or criminal proceedings in a state or federal court, in Administrative law (immigration court which is a type of criminal court) they are not entitled to an attorney or a jury. You claimed Illegals do not get to avail themselves of full legal protections for a felony in immigration court. They don't get a provided defense lawyer, if they have their own lawyer they can be represented by him at their own charge. Administrative (immigration) court is not a civil court nor is it a criminal court where one gets to be judged by their peers, it is an Administrative court where the govt is prosecuting the person and there are both civil and criminal penalties, making administrative court a limited criminal court where the immigration judge makes the determination of the case, there are no US Constitution protections for the accused. So, did I really agree with you or do you simply not understand the difference?
Visas are entirely too temporary. An immigrant that's been here on a work visa for 10 years may find themselves being kicked out because they lost their job. That's ridiculous. An immigrant should be eligible to immediately receive a greencard the second they establish residence in at an American address for over a year. That was my entire point. Green cards take too long to get. What part of my post complaining about how long Greencards take to get did you get the impression that I thought green cards were received immediately? Anything to back this up? Because it doesn't make sense. I'm sure plenty do but probably not most.
Tell that to krane who claims the majority here are visa overstays. They are not tried in civil or criminal courts, they are tried in administrative courts, they get no lawyers nor is it the govts responsibility to prove anything, it is the accused who must prove in administrative court. Those other crimes would not be prosecuted in administrative court, only immigration related crimes are prosecuted in administrative court. They are not protected via the USC nor are they afforded attorneys in administrative court.
Because so many people have been indoctrinated that illegally crossing over the border isn't a crime. But it is a criminal offense. But I digress. Back to the topic. CRIME VICTIMS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims_2.html Job Displacement http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/job.html COMMUNITIES UNDER SIEGE http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/community.html http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp Costs of Immigration http://cis.org/Costs Illegal Immigration Costs California Taxpayers More Than $25 Billion a Year http://www.fairus.org/news/illegal-...payers-more-than-25-billion-a-year-finds-fair TAXPAYER BURDEN Most illegal aliens are unskilled or low-skilled. The Nobel Prize-winning, liberal economist Paul Krugman has written, "Unfortunately, low-skill immigrants don't pay enough taxes to cover the cost of the benefits they receive.” That means American taxpayers must heavily subsidize the costs of services to newcomers. The financial burden on taxpayers occurs in many ways, including those noted below. https://www.numbersusa.com/problems/taxpayer-burden
They would have applied for a GC/LPR status prior to their 6 year mark. At 6 years they must leave if they have not filed for or received LPR status or applied for and received another categorical visa, most non-immigrant, work related visas are only good for 3 years with one extension of 3 years. They lost their job at the 6 year mark in most cases. They are work visas, not GC or citizenship visas, they come here knowing full well they are on limited time. They are non-immigrants on non-immigrant work related visas, why should they be given GC simply for coming here to work? Those that want GC can apply for them once here already. You obviously don't know how the system works. Once they apply for a GC they are notified within months as to whether they are approved or not. They must apply for the GC from within the US as they apply to adjust status from their non-immigrant visa. What you are talking about is family re-unification where it could take up to 20 years or so to be allowed entry. Those folks aren't the ones entering illegally nor are they illegal immigrants. The IRS received more the 8 Million tax filings from illegal immigrants with ITIN numbers and SS numbers last year. In 2007 even the CBO said 6 Million filed tax forms with ITIN's and SS numbers. In order to file on must have an income that is provable, pay check stubs, self employment, etc.
There indeed is a line, they apply for the visa and if they are granted they get to come (they are notified within weeks), if they are denied, then why should they still get to come? Most children didn't come alone, most entered via paid coyotes or with other family members. Nothing. They aren't being dumped, they are sent back to their families through their govts.
The perp would be tried in immigration court, not civil or criminal state courts, they would not be afforded a lawyer nor a jury. There are no criminal statues that would apply for administrative law violations and no attorney would be afforded. For (*)(*)(*)(*) sakes look it up. http://jjie.org/class-action-suit-wrong-to-put-kids-into-immigration-court-with-no-lawyers-to-help/ Here it is directly from the DoJ http://www.justice.gov/eoir/office-of-legal-access-programs OTM's (Other Than Mexican) must be charged, they can not be simply sent back across the border. Its handled in Immigration proceedings (Administrative Court) where they can be found guilty of a federal misdemeanor or federal felony for EWI.
That's part of what Krugman has said on the topic. And it's no surprise that these people pay less taxes - it's ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO WORK!!! Let's remember that we are not going to deport 12M people. The real solution to this problem comes in the form of our system - free market capitalism. Today, these 12M are banished from that system, living as an unrepresented underclass of cheap labor. Frankly, that's closer to communism than to our system. Our system works. Representation is hugely important, according to the USA. Free markets work.
Those who have come here and stayed weren't on vacation - they needed a job. There is no line for work visas for hourly workers from the Americas - with perhaps some tiny exception for farm labor. I was speaking of the huge influx of children not accompanied by adults responsible for them.
I think you're getting confused somewhere, as you are merely confirming much of what I said. Also, please note that the fact that it is in court does not mean it is a trial. Immigration proceedings where there is no crime or other circumstances are usually hearings, not trials. The alien can have an attorney (you can always have an attorney whenever talking to the government), but like I said, none is provided. A judge in such a hearing can not find them guilty of a felony. If a felony is charged, then criminal court rules would apply. They would get an attorney, for example. They would get access to evidence, get to call and/or depose witnesses, have the choice of trial by jury, etc.
Why the (*)(*)(*)(*) not ??? It can be done, you ever heard of Operation Wetback ? The Border Patrol was less than 1/10th the size it is today and they rounded up 1.3 million illegal aliens and another 1 million self deported. It was President Esienhower who ordered Operation Wetback. And knowing something about war, he put another former Army General in charge of the INS and Operation Wetback, Gen. Joseph "Jumpin' Joe" Swing. Unlike the current community organizer who appoints unqualified people to be in charge of our national security, military, enforcing our laws, Esienhower put people in charge who got the job done. Look at Obama's last and current Sec. of DHS, no law enforcement experience or military experience. We can round up and deport 10 million illegal aliens in less than a year. More likely for every illegal alien who is arrested and deport, another illegal alien will self deport. I could go out side right now and round up a few hundred illegal aliens in one hour. Our immigration system isn't broke, it's just another liberal lie. What is broken is that our immigration laws that are on the books aren't being enforced. When we as a nation go back being a nation of laws and start enforcing our laws you'll know because the usual radical leftist organizations and community organizers and activist will be screaming "racism." That's when you know there's a President in office who's upholding the oath of office that he took like President Esienhower did.
They needed a job? They have no right to a job. There sure is, its called an H2A (no annual cap limit) and H2B (non-ag) visa. Are the coyotes not responsible for them?
Im not the one confused. You never said none was provided in Immigration courts, which is what the entire discussion has been about. you claimed Being charged with Misdemeanor or Felony EWI by BP (BP caught them at the border entering illegally) in immigration court does not trigger the accused to be afforded an attorney. No Constitutional protections are afforded in immigration court. You're trying very poorly now to cover your ass and be disingenuous. The BIA or the IJ can find them guilty of EWI and convict them, no criminal court rules apply. You obviously haven't a clue about what you are discussing, you are making claims you know nothing about. I suggest you start reading this http://www.justice.gov/sites/defaul...014/08/15/Fundamentals_of_Immigration_Law.pdf
Its not illegal for them to work, they can be self employed here, they just can't legally work for an employer unless they have a work authorization waiver, a SS# that is for a limited time. We don't need to deport 12M people. We simply need to enforce the laws and deport them when they are tangled in the net. We can also allow those that want to return home to do so. You don't really understand what that actually is. No they are not. Why do they deserve "representation"? From the PEW research center. Thats well above the US poverty line for a family of 4 and still above the poverty line for a family of 6. https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/federal-poverty-level-FPL/ and here https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/threshld/
Is it immigration? Is it legal? Illegal immigration it is then. I suppose you could change the name of what Obama does too.,....lying becomes 'alternative information.' Call it whatever the (*)(*)(*)(*) you want, but 500,000 Mexicans, including convicted criminals, diseased ridden scum, gangsters, drug operatives and criminals on the lam streaming into your country every year. Call it "non screened new democrat voters' if you like, I just know that when I hear someone is from the United States, I figure too many of you are convicted criminals, diseased ridden scum, gangsters, drug operatives and criminals on the lam ....that's why it's a crime to sneak into my country......based on the fact that in the last ten years you imported 6 million convicted criminals, diseased ridden scum, gangsters, drug operatives and criminals on the lam .... that's what I see when I hear "an American" is anywhere, a one in 30 chance of being onvicted criminals, diseased ridden scum, gangsters, drug operatives and criminals on the lam.
Illegal aliens drive down the wages of American workers. To me that is completely wrong. Advocates of illegal aliens are stooges for big business.
Illegal is a crime. Saying illegals don't commit more crime for fear of exposure is like saying a bank robber doesn't dare shop lift. Besides immigration as practiced against the West is a crime of genocide against whites. ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY! "Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries. The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them. "Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites. What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries? How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem? And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this? But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews. They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white."
