>>>MOD WARNING<<<Where's the outrage?

Do you honestly believe that ANYONE would "Choose" surgery over taking a pill?

 

The right to choice on reproduction means a woman has a choice in directing the rest of her life. Abortion is not "ending the life of a child", a fetus doesn't have a life of its own, it only has the life the woman gives it. Why should a woman be reduced to an incubator machine or a brood mare and be forced to continue gestation? Controlling reproduction is necessary to control her life.

The problem here is having valid reasons for abortion labeled as "convenience" by the bumper-sticker anti-choicers. The fact is that the woman involved is the only one who can determine if her reason is valid, so others should just butt out and be relieved of the worry of determining whether a particular woman has a valid reason. Perhaps women can get low cost BC, although if she doesn't have even the low cost, she's still out of luck, but if they can't get to the distribution place, they're still not going to have BC. I'm so tired of the privileged glossing over the difficulties those in poverty must overcome. No one is actually choosing abortion over birth control, but those who are so eager to label others as "the lowest trash of our society" without understanding might actually be worthy of the label themselves..

Context is everything (as in the controversial videos where context has been destroyed). Have you never heard anyone say something like, "He's a fine specimen of manhood."?

 

Nevertheless, every American does want a reduction in the number of abortions.

This gets overlooked because of your focus on the one means - laws against it. But, other methods are being pursued. Sex education, easy availability of birth control, counseling (yes, including Planned Parenthood), and a range of efforts to help girls see it as possible to provide for a baby and to do so without significant social and economic consequences. And, that possibility is certainly reduced by poverty, so poverty is a factor.

 

You are welcome to post passionately, but please do so within the forum rules. Failure to do so will get you thread banned without further warning.

Shangrila
Moderator

 

No, I am more concerned about WHY that is happening. But there is a quick fix - federally fund Implanon or similar contraceptive and you will see the abortion rate fall

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And they will not listen when we tell them that legislation does NOT reduce abortion rates

 

What a load of BS.

I'll ask you the same questions as asked of the Author of the OP, and ignored.

1. What is the cause of more black women than other races getting abortions?
2. Do you want to restrict the number of abortions a black woman can have or just stop them having abortions at all?
3. Will your "faux" outrage extend to an actual adult debate on the causes of abortion as a whole and what measures could help reduce that number, or will you, like the OP ignore anything that may interfere with the hyperbole?
4. Do you consider black women less deserving of the same right that other races have?

 

When an organ donors die, and their organs are removed for donation, those organs are not called babies, or teenagers, or adults. They are called specimens.

 

so civil rights are a joke to you . .colour me surprised.

EVERY pregnancy carries the risk of death to the woman.

Why do you get to define convenience, what you consider convenient isn't relevant to what someone else thinks.

Who said anything about lifestyle, that is just you assumption, one born to promote your opinion.

Complete and utter crap, provide your "well-documented" evidence that Sanger was racist .. oh BTW you do know that Sanger was pro-life don't you?

Yawn, more BS without any evidence to support it.

Really, you are so ill informed.

100% agree, now say that to the person who implied it .. that would be the OP author.

 

Well if you think debating is about ignoring anything that stands against your position, then I suppose it is easy to "win" .. where as someone who is not disingenuous would address the valid arguments raised in this very thread instead of just posting worthless memes, repeated lies and misrepresentations.

I wonder where you would fall?

 

Happily call for fewer abortions as long as it is not at the expense of female rights . .what about you, or are you just content to post worthless memes, repeated lies and misrepresentations?

 

Yes, almost everyone on this thread has explained that fewer abortions can only be accomplished by easily accessible birth control and comprehensive education. For some reason (because Republicans are opposed to those policies) you continue to ignore it.

 

They do is all the time. Where have you been??? Ask FoxHastings, he'll readily tell you women are entitled to abortion for convenience and aren't obligated to use birth control. Back up a few posts and see for yourself what he/she said.

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Both of which are correct, however your misrepresentation that those facts equate to choosing surgery over a pill are noted for what they are.

Right-wing restrictions on abortions push abortions into later periods for the woman ergo it is those very people who want to stop abortion that are creating the self-serving statistics of abortions being delayed.

 

And that has nothing to do with choosing a pill over abortion......

 

Women ARE entitled to their freedom and especially with their own bodies, they are also free to decide if they want birth control....just as every other person in this country is. Abortion might be a bad thing in your mind, but that does not "Entitle" you to force opinion on other people....what a terribly self important and conceited belief.

 

How much more accessible can bc get than FREE and available on the same corners where the abortion clinics are located? What would you suggest we do now, infiltrate their water supply with the morning after drug?

 

MOD EDIT>>>RULE 5<<<

»Black non-Hispanic women have the highest abortion ratio. Black women&#8217;s abortion ratio has reached 459 abortions per 1,000 live births, while non-Hispanic white women&#8217;s abortion ratio is 132 abortions per 1,000 live births.

How come nobody cares? Not Al Sharpton, not the NAACP, not the Surgeon General, not Barack or Michelle Obama. MOD EDIT - Rule 3

What's your opinion? Why don't they care? Don't all black lives matter???

 

Last final warning as a courtesy to the members who wish to discuss the actual topic.

Thank you for your consideration
Shangrila
Moderator

 

nothing need more be said

Prez Reagan said it nicely “I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.”

 

Ya, Reagan had Alzheimers......that statement proves it...totally illogical and proves nothing.


What did Reagan DO about abortion?


And, why do you think women care what YOU think of them?

 

Huh?

I can't imagine that Reagan had an abortion given that he was male.

Also, I've no concern about trying to win votes of women who kill babies. I care about the child and actually volunteer my time and donate to help single moms.

It's called walking the walk. For those who support the killing of the unborn child it's simpler, just kill the baby and move on.

 

hmm

what exactly are "jobs programs"?

more welfare????

It seems that it's all about bigger govt and redistribution of income from the successful; why is that?

You got your Obamacare with subsidies. Birth control is free under Obamacare.

Condoms are cheap

yet we see no decrease in demand for abortion especially in the inner city

How is it that my wife and I had no children until we were married for 7 years and she never became pregnant until we were ready? I assure you that it was not because we were not "practicing"

 

should it ever be confirmed that one is born homosexual and it's not a choice, and the "gay gene" was found, would you support aborting if the gay gene was found in the unborn baby? How about if the desire to cross-dress gene was also found, same question?

 

I never said Reagan had an abortion...what are you talking about????????

Maybe YOU have no concern about abortion but politicians do.....

...and , yes, of course you're Mother Theresa, most Anti-Choicers in here claim they are....but check out the number of single mothers, you are NOT taking care of all of them.


No baby is killed in an abortion and all the ignorant overly dramatic lying will ever change that.

 

anti-choice?????? I'm all for choice. I'm for letting the child decide if he/she wishes to be executed.

Again bear in mind, it takes sperm and egg to create that which you support killing. There is no accident with respect to how sperm and egg come together.