Is homosexuality "normal"?

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  1. Dissily Mordentroge

    Dissily Mordentroge Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tee hee, now ask the religious homophobes why their creator placed the prostate gland, a major g-spot, just inside the male anus.Curious, don't you think.
     
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    DoctorWho Well-Known Member

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    Here is another good question, why do men have functional nipples and breast tissue, reduced, but as equipment fully functional, and if activated with hormones, a man can lactate.
    Even without hormones, a mans nipples are a fully functional E-zone.
     
  3. Dissily Mordentroge

    Dissily Mordentroge Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If I was religious I'd say the creator has a peculiar sense of humour.
     
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    Dissily, you sound theophobic and heterophobic.
     
  5. Dissily Mordentroge

    Dissily Mordentroge Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Flattery will get you nowhere.
     
  6. waltky

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    Is homosexuality "normal"?

    Granny says...
    :grandma:
    ..."Only to homosexuals."
     
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    One is inclined to rate gays/lesbians as a deviation from the norm.
    Gotta remember that they do not choose to be like that.
    In civilized societies, they should enjoy equal rights.
     
  8. Dissily Mordentroge

    Dissily Mordentroge Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I get tired of repeating this but here I go again.
    There are graduations between 100% homosexual and 100% heterosexual. The odd thing it the real minority are those who are 100% anything. You may think you are but life can be full of surprises. That should give a few of you imagined 100%ers nighmares.
    Or to put it another way, don't knock it until you've knocked it.
     
  9. VoiceofSanity

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    The shoe fits
     
  10. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    And because of the way reality has been WARPED via certain superstitions and traditions (in America and other societies)... many who can probably 'sense' they aren't 100% "hetero", probably want what's "gay" to be shunned and/or prohibited.

    They FEAR and/or HATE themselves... whether they realize it or not.
     
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    VoiceofSanity New Member

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    The "born gay" hoax has long since been exposed and debunked for the cleverly calculated lie it always was, and by the homosexual creators of the lie no less.
     
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    And that is of course also a lie.

    Frankly- no one knows for certain whether or not someone is 'born' gay or not- but it is as irrelevant as to whether someone is born 'Christian' or not.

    Bigotry towards someone because of how they were born (skin color) or because of their conscious decisions (faith) are as repugnant as bigotry towards someone because of how they are similarly identified- regardless of whether they were born that way- or chose to be that way.
     
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    This is an easy question. Is homosexuality normal?

    Yes, it is normal for homosexuals.

    Is heterosexuality normal? Yes, it is normal to heterosexuals.

    Is bisexuality normal? Yes, it is normal to bisexuals.

    Is polygamy normal? Yes, it is normal to polygamists.

    Is monogamy normal? Yes, it is to monogamists.

    Is being promiscuous normal? Yes, it is to promiscuous people.
     
  14. Johnny-C

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    Perhaps you have a point, as far as perceptions may go.

    But for many, they'd like to know more conclusively if people somehow choose their sexuality, or if it just IS something born into a person. I'd say, how we view or treat an individual, should not be contingent upon that. After all... it's not as though homosexuality, heterosexuality, bisexuality etc. are contagious diseases to be guarded-against or 'cured'. (We already know that they aren't that.)

    Still... in a world where all the causes and understanding surrounding sexual-orientation are not known (conclusively determined), defining in some absolute way (scientifically) whether or not something is nature, nurture or a combination of BOTH... is as yet an open question.

    Human sexuality isn't simple... there are ranges of desires, orientations and behaviors. For instance, if you can find a bisexual open enough to talk things over, I'm fairly sure it will be interesting conversation. At least, you'll likely learn more than you knew before. :)

    Science LEANS toward certain conclusions even now, but there is a long way to go toward reaching the answers many are seeking.
     
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    Your commentary (above) is 'specious'. Sorry.

    Things have NOT been scientifically determined, to be as you suggest.
     
  16. JakeJ

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    You left off the 3rd option, and the one I believe is accurate. MOST people are born asexual. Various birth traits many interact with the gzillion socialization and interpersonal influences upon a person plus life events that may tend to lead a person's evolution towards homosexuality rather than the predominate social influences to be heterosexual.

    That, then, is NOT a matter of choice nor a matter of a born trait either. Rather, it is an evolution to lead a person across the life to whoever and whatever the person is. Desires are not a matter of choice nor generally a born trait, though born traits of a person may significantly influence the person's evolution as they develop psychologically and in personality after birth.

    Analyzing why an adult is as the adult is psychologically is virtually impossible to do unless there are dramatic life events pointing hard in a direction. Nearly every waking second of a person's life from birth they are being socially and interactively influenced. By the time the person approaches puberty there has been billions and billions of influencing factors. Those simply can not be disregarded. As you stated, each person is very complex and each person is unique.

    "Born gay" ONLY works if 100% of gays are that way and 100% of heteros are not. And that still leaves the problem of millions upon millions of bisexuals and millions who change across their life. Disregarding those with just the words "bisexual curious," "gay curious," "hetero curious" and 'denial for social pressure" really doesn't work. Finally, most people don't analyze themselves well, meaning what a person says about him/herself may not be accurate at all from a psychological standpoint, which is another reason absolute protocol studies aren't really possible. Too much has to be disregarded and too much assumed for them to produce certainty in conclusions.
     
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    The Born Gay hoax is a historical fact. You need to get educated as your ignorance is showing.
     
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    The day that medical science can sort out new born babies as being homosexual, heterosexual, or otherwise, will be the day we can say all these are normal or natural deviations in the human condition. Until then, homosexuality must be classified as an unnatural deviation or learned behavior.
     
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    Like being left handed used to be classified...
     
  20. VoiceofSanity

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    Actually, the homosexual creators of the Born Gay hoax have admitted it's a lie. You're not very educated, are you?
     
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    That's nonsense. There is no psychology involved in being left handed and left handedness can be rapidly determined after birth by physical behavior. Sexual orientation can not be determined in an infant nor by physical behavior. I understand you WANT being homosexual to be a birth defect, but don't try to argue that is a complimentary desire.

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    That's nonsense too. There is no basis for your assertion.
     
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    Well, of course a person's 'sexuality' (orientation or interest in sex) isn't realized until around adolescence; so, we ALL start off as being 'asexual'... at least for a few years.

    But as far as knowing how a person ends up with the exact sexual-orientation they will possess as adults... science has not fully determined.

    Still, I can definitely agree, a lot of people have their personal theories and beliefs about human sexuality. Such views are necessarily aligned with science.
     
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    No, pete. That isn't true at all.

    Homosexuality is quite natural, even normal. The variances in people's perceptions of it being natural or normal (moral or religious views etc.)... don't necessarily line up with what science has observed.
     
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    I'm not talking about this "Born Gay hoax" thing, that you are mentioning. I'm referring to what credible science has or hasn't determined.

    Sure, there are all kinds of speculation out here pro/con. Bottom line is that science IS busy seeking answers.

    Furthermore... I see ZERO reasons to tolerate discrimination against gay people period. The world needs to get past that; it's not helpful and causes more problems overall.
     
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    Well now that's odd, considering homosexuals openly discriminate against heterosexuals and Christians while giving Jews and muslims a free pass.

    As to your rather disingenuous claim that homosexuality is normal, procreation is the relentless rule in nature. Our sexual bodies were designed for procreation. Homosexuality is a challenge to the norm.
     
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