Armed teachers

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  1. OrlandoChuck

    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

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    So now hunting accidents are gun violence?
    Legal carriers in their own home are not a threat to the public, just home invaders.
    The FBI reports that 80% of those arrested for violent gun crimes are repeat offenders. That means they are not legal to carry.
     
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    I am acknowledging your assertion that they are more than capable of going off.



     
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    A Florida woman was arrested and accused of shooting her husband, who is left recovering from a serious injury. Victoria Reid, 61, shot her husband in the knee, but the bullet traveled upward through his thigh and "lodged inside his testicles." (more)



     
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    Here is another one from my personal files, when I was a Constable in the tropic Country of San Tomasso, I lived in an inexpensive pension, once luxurious, it was spacious, but rotten in many places, it was very cheap, they like having a Constable around, I had people washing my clothes cooking me dinner, helping me with stuff, watching my possessions, I paid them a certain amount of money, these were all good Catholics, sweet nice people, the large house was pretty rotten in parts, rotten doors made of cheese & crackers.
    Very clean and washed, but rotten.

    One night, I was very tired, I lay down to sleep, my new bed was very comfy and the girls had washed the sheets and replaced the linen, I had a nice shower and all my clothes had been washed, I had eaten well, beef & rice beans and salad, between good food and clean sheets, I was soon off to sleep.

    Some odd sound nagged me awake, a steady crunch like a rat, it was annoying, finally I am awake, the rat is knawing harder, so I gloup, If I see a rat, :-* I figure, to shoot it.

    I grab my service revolver, and I follow the sound, I walk and it is comming from my front door, There are wings on either side of the front door which is recessed in, so rain will not enter the house if you open the front door, so I peek out a blind, I see a guy crouching, and he is grinding on my front door.

    My eyes are now used to the dark, and I see him better, he shoulders the door and it crunches in, I am curious, I want to see what he will do next, he gets in and shuts the door, he sees my desk, lit by a night light, he starts rummaging through my stuff, I had an extension cord that crossed the room and supplied my desk lamp and a lit up a large portrait called "The Savior" on the wall, both lights lit at once, temporarily blinding the guy as he leaped up wildly looking around,

    I said, loudly, CAN I HELP YOU ?

    POW !

    Something tugged at my left arm, I had been shot, it was a slap and numb at first, I fired one shot, then 5 more rapidly, aiming at his head, blood and gore splashed on the picture and wall, and he fell foward onto my desk, dropping his revolver.

    I made a call and had a drink and sat down, a few constables showed up and looked around, and talked, oh, so he broke in, took a gun from your desk and shot you?

    I nodded, no gun registration, Constables could guy a gun from the armory for cash, besides they would restamp over the original serial numbers anyway, it was all rather pointless, He handed me back MY OLD GUN.

    It was a S&W model 10, heavy barrel loaded with low power semi wadcutters lucky for me, the shot had only grazed me, and I was bandaged up nicely..

    I learned lots of valuable lessons that day.
     
  5. Maccabee

    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    Another slippery slope fallacy.
     
  6. dagosa

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    Where did I ever use "gun crime" . I am talking about gun violence. When a cop shoots some one, he initiates gun violence. I never said it had to be a crime. Only those carrying guns can initiate gun violence.
    Btw, 20% were first time offenders. They are non repeat offenders and could be legal carriers.

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    You're right. The same rediculous slippery slope you make about gun regulation becoming gun confiscation.
    "Another slippery slope fallacy."
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, in Pakistan.....there are no examples in this country of a teacher killing a student with a firearm, ever, that I can find.

    Well we know the little sign with the line through the gun doesn't work, what else you got?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And 90% of those are probably just too young to be repeat offenders yet.

    Excepting the very rare case of someone going off the deep end (mental break, revenge killing, serial killers....) violent criminal types start young and keep going until stopped.
     
  9. dagosa

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    Violent gun activities of all types are not rare. Those adjudged to be non criminal are not rare. You need to look what violent gun activity entails and find your own real statistics. You're obviously making it up. Gun violence includes any activity resulting in death or injury with a firearm including accidents and suicides and it may or may not be criminal. These are not rare incidences and they only occur with all types of carriers and owners, legal or illegal. Look up "gun violence" so you know what you are talking about.
     
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    First, the idea of carrying guns in schools and on campuses has only begun to spread. But, if the incidences of gun violence in other areas is any indication, the number of violent gun deaths will increase also. After all, they only happen where there are guns.

    Secondly, if you think that signs work to entice mass shootings, just hang your little sign reading "teachers and students armed", and still keep the guns out. You have the best of both worlds.
     
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    I could never understand why Jedi Master Yoda chose to live in your system, the Dagosa system, you guys make no sense, do you have plans to return home ?
     
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    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    You guys make no sense becasue you listen to each other in a world of gun nuts.
    I could never understand your system...that "more guns" is the solution to all gun violence. You guys have your little comments but you have yet to show how more guns makes ecveryone safer.....other then anecdotal evidence, which by it's definiton is unreliable. The gun manufacturers, whose goal is to mak money selling guns. That's a foreign idea to you guys......but so isn't scientific methodology. Faux viewers are the least informed of all which the majority of you are by your OBama rants. You use as your sources, not polls and surveys from reliable polling institutions, but each other's opinions. Who in their right mind thinks just adding more guns in schools with children already injured and killed by guns by the thousands in our society.
     
  13. DoctorWho

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    I started as a Constable in a small tropical Country with very strict gun control, I likely know more about gun control than you do.
    I have seen first hand, gun control does not = crime control, you simply refuse to see that out of the millions of licensed gun owners, there are few problems.
     
  14. dagosa

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    You speak out of both sides of the issue. Licensed gun owners yes, easy access to guns by everyone else, no. How can you brag about the security of licensed gun owners then fight for gun show loopholes, constitutional carry and every other deregulation that promotes easy access to guns with out licensing.

    As a constable in a small tropical country with strict gun control, you weren't very observant as to where the guns did come form. They come from surrounding areas with less gun control. We are the main supplier of guns to Mexico which has strict gun laws. States with loose gun laws supply guns to cities with tight gun laws. It's not magic. As a law inforcement officer, I am surprised that got by you. You obviously don't know as much as you think.
     
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    If every criminal believed all of us are armed to the teeth, my hunch is crimes by guns would fall.

    And there are papers proving this is true.

    We tell killers there are no guns at theaters, schools and the like. They therefore head there to shoot unarmed victims.
     
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    Arm everyone to the teeth. You are obviously unaware of behavioral sciences. Even our founding fathers weren't that unaware.
    Who are " all of us" ? More guns, the answer to gun violence.
     
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    This is not about me.

    I stated clearly my premise. Were the killers to assume we all are armed, might that not impact on their actions?

    Rather than kill kids at schools, why don't they kill adults at police departments? How many police departments can you name that were shot up?

    It might help is my premise. Schools lack defense. So killers head there where pickings are easy.

    A hunter heads where there is easy game. So do killers. By the way, I did not say arm all of us.

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    http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Les...ds=more+guns+less+crime+3rd+edition+john+lott


     
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    More guns less crime ? You don't need or want to "arm" everyone. You provide miss deed opportunity with guns beyound the small probability of ever having a mass killing. NO ONE worries about mass killings and gun violence in schools more then Israel yet they effectively have guards on the OUT SIDE with controlled access and guns on the inside, ONLY with Ministry of education guards with the ministry guns. The teachers are not armed. And, there are very few of the guards inside. You control access and have the firepower outside.

    You don't fight from within. That is poor military strategy and it is poor civilian protection strategy. ANY SPORTS EVENT does not put tons of armed guards inside the sporting event. They control access and prevent arms from getting in and have professionals guarding the area. THEY DONOT LET EVERYONE IN WITH A GUN, EVEN IF THEY HAVE A PERMIT. Businesses are smarter then you guys.
     
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    You shouldn't project your emotional cowardice of owning a gun to everyone else. Gun ownership/CCL is growing exponentially and none of your projections are coming true. Feel free to express your fears, just understand they have already been proven a false narrative.
     
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    Now it comes down to personal attacks becasue you know you are wrong. That's usually a the case from the most fearful of you who feel you can't go to the corner drug store for a quart of milk without a gun. Not everyone is afraid like you guys. You don't protect little children with guns in proximity, you protect them from the outside. Your ignorance of what professional security services do is astounding. Carry permits have little to do with protecting kids in a school. Deal with it.
     
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    Says the Master of the personal attack.
     
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    Well duh. Guns aren't allowed in school so you can't protect them.
     
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    More projections and more emotional garbage...gun ownership/CCL is growing, everywhere including schools so your projections are being proven wrong...is there anymore to say? You lose no matter how much you project.
     
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    Lott:roflol:

    Ah! I should not laugh but LOTT????

    He has been debunked more times than a drunken sailor trying to sleep through a cyclone

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Guns,_Less_Crime

    Also there is this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_...rs_or_the_NRA_have_paid_for_Lott.27s_research
     
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