AR15 carbine for home defense

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What cartridge would/did you choose for a home-defense AR carbine

  1. 5.56x45 or derivative (specify)

    40.0%
  2. 7.62x51 or derivative (specify)

    2.5%
  3. 7.62x39 or derivative (specify)

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  4. 9x19mm

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  5. .40 S&W

    7.5%
  6. 10mm

    2.5%
  7. 45ACP

    12.5%
  8. Other (specify)

    20.0%
  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    What cartridge would/did you choose for a home-defense AR carbine?

    I have hired security professionals, and leave the choice to them ...

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    ... although I did draw the line at the flamethrowers and the trebuchets.​
     
  2. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    What one may feel, is not the same as what is actually fact.

    None of which changes that safeguards and the system in place can fail at any time.

    Just as having a motor vehicle increases the chance that it will be used in error. Yet this does not dissuade individuals from operating one.

    The above is factually incorrect. The AR-15 is not, and never has been, a military firearm. It has been a wholly civilian firearm, no different than any other semi-automatic rifle that has been on the market since the early twentieth century, when they were marketed exclusively to hunters and sportsmen.
     
  3. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for adding nothing of value to the conversation, as per the norm.
     
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    When I think of home defense, I don't think of my family and my home being assaulted by several armed men intent on plunder and murder. I think of one person who is up to no good. So an assault rifle wouldn't be my first choice. That'd be either a handgun or short barreled 12 pump. Now if I considered all scenarios, from a bad guy at night to a breakdown of society with roving gangs, as well as hunting, target shooting, working up loads and collecting. Then yeah, give me an assault rifle.
     
  5. Natty Bumpo

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    Thank you for allowing me to elicit your invaluable response, contrary to the norm.
     
  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    AR-15 is designed for fighting a war, not home defense.

    best gun for home defense is a shotgun using buckshot.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the only significant difference between an AR-15 and an M-4 is the full-auto capability.

    that means for all intents and purposes, it is a military weapon
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    dude, i fired some slugs yesterday with the screw in cylinder choke.

    Weatherby says its totally fine. Even with an Improvised Cylinder choke.

    i read the manual. You read your agenda.
     
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    No you didn't Ron. You were here all day. You made it all up. It's like your claims of being an FBI SAC. Even Benelli doesn't recommend it, which is btw is a much better quality weapon than Weatherby which is just a Turkish import. Any choke tighter than IC is looking for trouble and even doing so with an IC screw in is still looking for trouble. You didn't know about the IC before yesterday. IC works fine with slugs but that's with a fixed choke. Any screw in has the potential to cause problems with slugs, and the tighter that is the more it becomes. Plus you have to thoroughly clean them as well know how and when to tighten them. There's simply no way, you're not going to build up lead fouling with a screw in choke using slugs. Especially with how thin current shotguns barrels are made, with the cheaper to mid range products it's a recipe for a blown barrel/choke or a choke that is permanently stuck in the tube. Thin barrel equals an even thinner choke tube which always eventually mean a problem. Like I said you're way out of your league.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Weatherby says a choke of .013" or less is ok with a slug, but Cylinder choke is best.

    I shot 5 slugs up in the Catskills yesterday and they did just fine.

    also shot a bunch of trap with my Full choke and did pretty good.

    then I re-sighted in my 10/22 as I screwed it up a year ago. Now Im shooting within an inch of the target at around 40 yards or so

    then I drove around on a Quad and had a ****ing blast. Had to do it again this morning. soooo cool!!!
     
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  11. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    Then why, pray tell, is the AR-15 not a standard issue rifle for any military anywhere in the world, if it is designed for fighting a war?

    A difference that is so significant, it is regulated by federal law. A difference that is so significant, the internal components of both rifles are not interchangeable with each other.

    The exact same argument could be made about every single semi-automatic rifle in existence. And if it were made, it would still be just as factually incorrect as it is currently.
     
  12. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what is the significant difference between a full-auto M-4 and a semi-auto AR?
     
  13. QLB

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    No you didn't Ron. You were here all day yesterday.
     
  14. Xenamnes

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    A significant amount of steel, as the following illustration demonstrates.

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    While an individual could, theoretically, with enough time, skill, and the right machinery, mill away sufficient material to make the bolt carrier, and trigger of the AR-15 identical to that of the M16, the same cannot be said for the hammer, disconnector, or safety selector lever. Rather with the hammer, disconnector, and safety selector lever, it would require a significant addition of hardened steel to make the parts identical between the two models. While such is possible in a theoretical sense, it is not possible in a practical sense. Without all five components being to M16 specification, the AR-15 cannot be made to work like the M16. It is simply not possible.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    that's actually a lie, as I left home at around 11 and got back today at around 3:30 pm.

    my last post was 9:30 pm on Friday

    really pathetic that you feel the desperate need to attack me

    but I guess for some crazy reason you see cricitism against the AR being the "perfect home defense weapon", as a personal attack against you.

    very sad and very pathetic.
     
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  16. QLB

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    You didn't just happen to use slugs Ron, just like you weren't an FBI SAC. No one believes it.
     
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    i did use slugs yesterday.

    ive used them many times.

    still got a box in my closet.

    really sad you have the desperate need to attack me, rather than defend your position about the AR.
     
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    Now you're testing the outer limits of veracity Ron.
     
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    a shotgun is the best weapon for home defense since you can shoot buckshot and dont have to do precise aiming

    however Id suggest a semi-auto shotgun so you dont have to worry about pumping the damn thing.
     
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    I have to agree.

    My shotgun is my go-to long gun.
     
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  21. Ronstar

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    semi-auto?

    i shot some Trap yesterday and it was damn fun.

    :)
     
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    And you've come to this expert opinion exactly how Ron? Your LMAO FBI experience? Buckshot is heavy recoiling and slugs even more so. Lot of flash too. In home defense ranges a shotgun is essentially a carbine.
     
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    No not semi auto.

    I have seen Binelli's being shot and they are like holding a fire hose.

    Pump action is fine for me.
     
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    For me shooting is work not fun.

    It was fun when I was 21. It has been hard work ever since.
     
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    you dont have to do any precise aiming with a shotgun.

    AR? your target better be 1/4" or you're likely to miss it.

    notice how most folks don't shoot shotguns with a scope.

    there's no need to. :)
     
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