BREAKING: Presidential Executive Order Amending Executive Order 13223

Unless you have been medically discharged, all military officers have always been subject to recall, no matter how old you are, retired or discharged. Enlisted personal are a different story.
10 U.S. Code § 688

 

It’s standard practice. Don’t know why anyone would be alarmed, unless of course you had no idea this has been a thing for a really long time.

It’s not like anyone got called up with this order. Just a change of decision maker.

I thought Trump was a moron? Why would you want him to make the decision?

 

You have a problem with Trump delegating authority instead of micromanaging from the WH?

BTW, the law hasn't changed as far as getting recalled during an emergency. Right now the only emergency is an ongoing shortage of pilots.

 

I did not read the op to be about moving authority downward, so much as a pressing need for a lot more pilots. I love the idea of Donald Trump delegating his decisionmaking. I no longer want him to feel any pressure to learn anything that someone else in the West Wing can learn or do decide anything that someone else can decide. . I want him to golf and tweet and eat and spout out all the petty crap about NFL players he wants. He does not need to be in security council meetings, or read those daily terror threat reports. Let Kelly take care of the mundane matters like that.

Trump has definitely altered my preconceived view of a successful model for his job. I want him to take it easy, watch media coverage of himself, and delegate.

 

The President properly designated that ALREADY EXISTING AUTHORITY to the Secretary of Defense.

So?

More of this bullshit from the left...

 

You can see the value of delegating authority instead of micromanaging from the WH like Obama did with ISIS. Win!

Confident leaders delegate.

 

Not quite it depends on the President. Some do much better knowing and deciding a lot, some knowing some and delegating more , and for some you want them entirely out of the loop so smarter and capable people can take over the job almost completely. With this administration, I feel confident that the cleaning lady has a better grasp of reality than he does. He can never do wrong by staying distracted and letting the 'little people' do the work.

 

Obama was the IDIOT who , with his and Hillary's ASININE IGNORANCE in North Africa, as well as BAILING on Iraq, instead of negotiating a more gradual, NOT BROADCAST (the idiot) withdrawal, CREATED ISIS, and ARMED them with the Libyan military arsenal.

He was an even BIGGER IDIOT than was Carter on the world stage, and was duped, ridiculed, played for a fool (repeatedly), and IGNORED.

NO ONE is "IGNORING" our current Commander in Chief...least of all ISIS, who he has seen DECIMATED since taking office.

 

The condition of the equipment could also be a factor. I know that the Navy/Marine heavy-lift helicopters (HH-53E) are death traps. They have been over-used and abused far beyond their designed service-life parameters. They scavenge the hulks of junkers to bits, to keep the remaining ones in the air. A significant portion of our air-refueling fleet is as old as I am (I'm pretty decrepit). I'm sure there are others.

It's probably hard to retain people when they know they might just up and fall out of the sky on any given day.

 

Everything they have been doing, saying, posting is BS

 

Well, what does that say about Obama's failures against the JV team?

 

Not much. Not every post on this forum, has to have something to say about Obama. Its weird but true.

 

It's true, but why would you trust a guy who said the following to know how to delegate.

 

Because that’s what Putin told him.

Or, because Hitler was known to delegate military decisions to his generals.

 

Presidents have been taking more and more power for decades.. Trump while a small detail delegates power and the left starts conspiracy theories.

/facepalm

 

Relevant to the discussion.

 

if Obama ordered retired officers to return to active duty, Conservatives would be going nuts

 

This is not new law.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/212

42 U.S. Code § 212 - Retirement of commissioned officers

(c)Recall to active duty


A commissioned officer, retired for reasons other than for failure of promotion to the senior grade, may (1) if an officer of the Regular Corps or an officer of the Reserve Corps entitled to retired pay under subsection (a), be involuntarily recalled to active duty during such times as the Commissioned Corps constitutes a branch of the land or naval forces of the United States, and (2) if an officer of either the Regular or Reserve Corps, be recalled to active duty at any time with his consent.

 

Yours yes, the Op's no. Its about a specific set of facts and Trump's presidential style and competence. Obama has no more relevance to this decision or Trump's capacity to make competent decisions, than does Hubert Hoover or James K Polk.

 

Well, if you cannot compare styles then the OP is irrelevant.

 

Commissioned officers don't really retire not in the civilian sense. Unlike civilian retirees commissioned officers can have thier retirement (reduced compensation for reduced responsibility) benefits stripped for criminal acts. It's legally conceivable that a retired officer can also be reinstated then charged under UCMJ.

 

This does not look authenthic. Looks fake actually. Are executive orders just signed with the POTUS's name and then ThecWhite House. Really ? I could be wrong Inwas wrong once long ago.

 

Maybe Trump will get good at making phone calls to families of Soldiers KIA. I'm sure that he will have lots of opportunity very soon. He'll still insult the black survivors if he calls them at all. His record is poor on that issue.

 

Commissioned officers are treated diferently from NonComs. Warrants may be treated just as Commissioned are I think but not 100 % sure .

NonCommisioned "officers" is like a contradiction. I was just barely
a Non Com, BFD I was not an officer. It was like being being a little "o" Officer, especially the bottom sergeant rank.

 

Always important to read your enlistment agreement.

The Trump administration is giving the Air Force the option to return through voluntary programs as many as 1,000 retired pilots to active-duty service, the Pentagon announced.

Through an executive order signed Friday, the measure gives the service more leverage as it attempts to combat the growing pilot shortage in its ranks.

"The Air Force is grateful for additional authority as it works to address its pilot shortage," Air Force spokeswoman Erika Yepsen said in a statement.

"As the Air Force pursues a variety of initiatives to counter the shortage, it will take care to balance new accessions with voluntary programs for retired and senior pilots to ensure the service maintains a balance of experienced aviators throughout the coming years," she said.

Officials stress that returning to active duty is strictly voluntary, and the service does not intend to implement a stop-loss measure.

"This is an amendment to an existing authority we already had," an Air Force official told Military.com on background Friday.

"We have authorities for a whole bunch of things -- doesn't mean we use them," the official said during a telephone call.

Even with the latest measure -- the service doesn't intend to put older pilots back in the cockpit.

"We can't get 20-plus years out of an old guy the way you could with a new guy," the official said.

Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson and Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein have said the service was 1,555 pilots short by fiscal 2016, including 1,211 total force fighter pilots.

As a result, the Air Force laid out plans earlier this month to welcome back retired pilots into active-duty staff positions.

The service, through the Voluntary Retired Return to Active Duty Program, or VRRAD, encourages pilots who had held a job in the 11X career field to apply before Dec. 31, 2018.

In an effort to address the increasing pilot shortage, Wilson in July signed off on the program, which aims to fill flight staff positions with those who have prior pilot experience and expertise, thus allowing active-duty pilots to focus on training and missions.

Pilots under the age of 60 who retired within the last five years in the rank of captain, major or lieutenant colonel can apply for VRRAD. The Air Force wants to fill 25 positions for an active-duty tour of one year.

Other initiatives the service is -- and has repeatedly been -- trying: bonuses.

The Air Force this summer announced it is increasing its flight incentive payand aviation bonus programs -- with bonuses of up to $455,000 over 13 years for some fighter pilots.

The bulk of initiatives come at a time when the Air Force is losing many pilots to the commercial aviation industry.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/10/20/trump-lets-air-force-recall-1k-retired-pilots.html

Need to keep an eye on the knee-jerk!