Guns & Stand Your Ground victory. Got a problem with that? video included.

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Do YOU support this Stand Your Ground example of lethal gun defense?

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  2. No

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  1. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A wrongful death?

    Consider one would have to convince a jury
    they were certain it was a "bad shoot".

    Anyone believe that could be done?
     
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    Still no charges.
     
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  6. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Similar to Zimmerman,
    the shooters life is going to get messy.
    What a shame!


    Moi :oldman:




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  7. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Indeed.
    I wonder how the prosecutor plans to prove the shooter did not have a reasonable fear.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the attacker was retreating.

    the threat was ended.

    no shots were warranted
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    he may have been in fear but if the attacker is retreating the threat has ended
     
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    The original attack started over 20 feet away and took place at a walking pace. The attacker was much closer and could have moved much faster if he had decided to attack the man on the ground a second time. We don't know if the attacker felt another attack was warranted, but we don't understand why he thought the original attack was warranted, either.
     
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    No it hasn't.
     
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    SYG says you have no duty retreat.

    beyond that, any deadly force must be reasonable.

    simply feeling threatened isn't enough.

    your fear must be a reasonable one.


    if the attacker is backing up and doesnt have a gun, the threat is over.

    its immoral to shoot a retreating attacker.
     
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    actually law says you cannot shoot a retreating attacker.

    not even police can shoot a retreating attacker unless he is carrying a weapon.
     
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    seems SYG laws has confused some folks into thinking you can kill someone even after they cease being an immediate threat.
     
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    That's very different from saying that the threat is over. If the attacker was capable of mounting an attack from 30 feet away, he was capable of stopping his retreat and commencing another attack from 10 feet away. The standard is inside of 21 feet, someone can get to you quicker than you can respond.
     
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    That's not SYG; that's self defense. You continue to embarrass yourself by not understanding the difference.
     
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    Willfully.
     
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    attacker retreats.

    you have no right to shoot an unarmed retreating attacker.

    not even police can do that
     
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    self-defense ends when the threat is ended

    attacker retreating means the threat is over.
     
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    In general, I can agree with this.

    This is not a universal statement. Is the threat over when the victim is helpless on the ground? Can someone retreating pull a knife and attack? Can someone retreating pull a gun?
     
  22. Moi621

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    When the shooter is found innocent by a jury,
    "they" will go tribal!


    There will be rioting ala Ferguson.

    The responsibility will be on The State of Florida
    for pushing a case that went public that they "know" they are unlikely to win a conviction.



    Hopefully, President Trump's will restore civil order faster than Obama did. (Hint: did nothing)
     
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    so you're saying the threat is not over and self-defense with a deadly weapon is justified until the attacker is dead?
     
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    If the attacker was retreating and not getting better footing after the shove.
     
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    why does the guy on the floor keep shooting as the attacker runs away into the store?
     

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