The Push To Discredit HCQ

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  1. Wildjoker5

    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

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    Its kind of like wearing a mask vs not wearing a mask. Or when the vaccine comes out. HCQ has been around for decades, the doctors at least know what is a good dose to give without huge side effects, whether it turns out to be a placebo or not is irrelevant with cheapness of the drug.
     
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    Sure. I'm not suggesting we shouldn't experiment with it.
     
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    Sadly though, many in the media and almost all of the left straight up claim HCQ will kill you faster than COVID because Trump endorses it.
     
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    Trump is an idiot. He should not be on his bully pulpit pondering out loud about science not yet in evidence.

    The second he did that, google searches for the drug went through the roof, so those with their 10-minute Google degree could either prove or disprove his claim. Madness.

    If he had not done that, the conversation around this drug would be entirely different.
     
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    So, what youre saying is Trump sparked a national conversation and the left with their complete hatred for him dismissed it with zero facts or evidence? Why cant a president start a national conversation? He didn't say go find fish tank cleaner and kill your husband.
     
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    For heavens sake. If you don't know what you're talking about, better off not talking at all. You all claim "listen to the science" and then absolutely ignore the science!

    Epidemiologist and Yale Professor: Want to Save Lives? Stop the Politics and Use Hydroxychloroquine

    And there are HUNDREDS of Hydroxchloroquine clinical trials taking place across the country. My institution is running 3 separate trials with various drug combinations and the results have been excellent.

    Clinical trials of hydroxychloroquine in COVID-19 outpatients reported as safe


     
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    Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx work for the Trump administration.
     
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    No, the left said, "wait for the evidence and do not use your broadcasts from the white house to millions of scared people to push an unproven treatment."

    And then, when the studies did come out that showed no benefit, the left said, "You see? That's why you should have kept your ****ing moronic mouth shut you whiny little bitch named donald trump."
     
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    Is that why MI governor out right banned HCQ as soon as Trump asked about it?
     
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    First and foremost, the President of the United States isn’t/shouldn’t be an unproven drug pusher.

    IMO, that’s sheer stupidity considering the fact we have an army of specialists whose responsibilities are to conduct clinical trials, and then, approve/disapprove the usage of an existing drug, and/or new drug(s) for a specific illness(es).

    Myself, I’m an offshore structural engineer, not a geologist, therefore, absolutely not my responsibility to promote unproven methods of collecting and analyzing samples. Key message; I want my President to be a president.
     
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    Because of the studies that showed zero benefit? Probably.
     
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    He's a bull in a China shop. There are ways to start a conversation that don't require creating division.

    "The scientists on my team are currently investigating X for effectiveness. The results are promising so far. We'll keep you posted on this." What did he say instead? “we ought to give it a try,” adding, “I feel good about it. That’s all it is, just a feeling, you know.”

    His lack of grace, diplomacy and eloquence is harmful to our national conversation. He shouldn't be up there promoting his feelings as sound medical advice.
     
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    Which studies were that? All of our clinical trials have shown at least some benefit if not great success.
     
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    Not accurate and, in fact, none of the randomized controlled trials have shown any benefit.

    https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-birx...ovid-19-scientists-blast-study-touted-1521869
     
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    What is the death rate for patients treated by Dr. Immanuel?
     
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    Fake Science and fudged data has been used to suppress the use of HCQ. Clearly the opposition to HCQ is incredible.
     
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    Whether you like it or not, the FDA has an approval process, and a decision was made.

    Thus, in reference to said clinical trials that have shown some benefits; FDA’s File 13.
     
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    Good question - you tell me

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    https://twunroll.com/article/1289289615631888384

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...ed-2019-patient-death-report-2020-7?r=US&IR=T
    I am not ready to take a drug prescribed by someone who believes in the rubbish she has come out with
     
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    Why?

    We are talking about international trials here that have shown no benefit

    you consistently fail to show any supporting data for use of HCQ
     
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    Please provide evidence that this drug is effective against covid 19
     
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    Bullshit. We've literally seen vast improvements with patients. Again, I think you forget I'm in the business of clinical trials. The difference in today's trials versus the initial onset was the combination of various drug cocktails that included HDC. Initial test showed cardiac side effects with the use of HCQ and azithromycin in combination, however PI's have modified and targeted patient types to give varying drug combination which has proven to keep patients alive and off ventilators. HDC is working!

    BREAKING REPORT from John Hopkins Journal: GREAT NEWS on Hydroxychloroquine + Zinc

     
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    We are still in clinical trials and many have passed Phase I & II and trials are in Phase III. The reason for the FDA warning was cardiac side effects with the use of HCQ and azithromycin in combination. These have vastly bee modified and studies are showing that patients receiving hydroxycloroquine see deaths rates cut in half...

    Review of trials currently testing treatment and prevention of COVID-19
     
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    The watchtowers? Seriously?
    If you are “in the business” then you will know the gold standard is an RCT - please link to one preferably published in a peer reviewed journal
     
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    I don't see any evidence that you know of a controlled, randomized double blind trial that demonstrates any benefit to HCQ.
     

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