The Push To Discredit HCQ

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  1. nopartisanbull

    nopartisanbull Well-Known Member

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    Quote; “drug has shown to work in various clinical trials settings, and has shown to improve.....


    HOWEVER, in the end, what will bring pleasure or displeasure to many people is FDA’s decision......agree or disagree?
     
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    Why would anyone attack a physician who has successfully treated her patients?
    Especially to defend a system that has overseen the deaths of over half a million patients?

    The attacks on Dr. Immanuel are just more examples of the racist bigotry that has always characterized the leadership of the DP. Minority cultural and religious beliefs may offend you, but they are irrelevant in a discussion about the effective use of HCQ during this pandemic.

    Partisan haters should stop playing politics during a life or death health emergency.
     
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    Why would anyone believe a medical establishment that has failed throughout this pandemic over physicians who have succeeded in saving their patients lives?

    "The same week the CDC sent out the email about the job openings, the agency sent Nevada officials alerts about 80 potential coronavirus patients to monitor, documents show. Four were not Nevada residents.

    A state epidemiologist, in each instance, corrected the agency, informing the CDC that the person was from New York, not Nevada. (The CDC then redirected each report to New York, the documents show.)

    The confusion sometimes went both ways. On March 4, a program manager in the Nevada Health Department reached out to the CDC to ask about congressional funding for COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.

    “There seems to be a communications blackout on this end,” the program manager wrote, wondering if funds would be distributed based on the number of cases in each state or by population.

    “Unfortunately, there is no clear answer to your questions,” responded a CDC staffer, apologizing for the lack of information. “We are hearing all of the rumor mills as well.”

    “Thank you,” the Nevada program manager replied. “It’s good to be confused together.”
    PROPUBLICA, "SERIES: CORONAVIRUS, Internal Emails Show How Chaos at the CDC Slowed the Early Response to Coronavirus, The CDC fumbled its communication with public health officials and underestimated the threat of the coronavirus even as it gained a foothold in the United States, according to hundreds of pages of documents ProPublica obtained., By Caroline Chen, Marshall Allen and Lexi Churchill March 26, 2020.
    https://www.propublica.org/article/...-cdc-slowed-the-early-response-to-coronavirus
     
  4. nopartisanbull

    nopartisanbull Well-Known Member

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    There are at least 20 contributing factors.....

    1. CDC’s screwups.....I agree.
     
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    This is getting to be just another time wasting conspiracy theory

    you have yet to show any support for the use of HCQ beyond “Trump likes it”

    So read my signature - good-bye!
     
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    Yes and so far those trials have yet to prove that HCQ is successful
     
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    ROFL.

    Trump called for a total ban of all muslims entering the country.
     
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    As opposed to someone who would recommend taking a drug with known severe side effects based on the recommendation of someone who posts anonymously on a political discussion board who admits that they are not a pharmaceutical researcher but Knows people who are doing research which is not finalised or complete let alone published - but according to them is showing results


    Based on that the demon seed Lady looks positively legitimate
     
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    So, read my posts and you will find that I have posted substantial support for the use of HCQ for months now.

    "Hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin has been widely misrepresented in both clinical reports and public media, and outpatient trials results are not expected until September. Early outpatient illness is very different than later hospitalized florid disease and the treatments differ. Evidence about use of hydroxychloroquine alone, or of hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin in inpatients, is irrelevant concerning efficacy of the pair in early high-risk outpatient disease.

    Five studies, including two controlled clinical trials, have demonstrated significant major outpatient treatment efficacy. Hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin has been used as standard-of-care in more than 300,000 older adults with multicomorbidities, with estimated proportion diagnosed with cardiac arrhythmias attributable to the medications 47/100,000 users, of which estimated mortality is <20%, 9/100,000 users, compared to the 10,000 Americans now dying each week. These medications need to be widely available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe."
    AMERICAN JOURNAL OF EPIDEMIOLOGY, Early Outpatient Treatment of Symptomatic, High-Risk Covid-19 Patients that Should be Ramped-Up Immediately as Key to the Pandemic Crisis, By Harvey A Risch, American Journal of Epidemiology, kwaa093, https://doi.org/10.1093/aje/kwaa093, Published: 27 May 2020. (Published by Oxford University Press on behalf of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.)
    https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/5847586

    Someday soon every official and "expert" who opposed the use of cheap effective treatments for the Wuhan China Corona Virus Pandemic will have to explain their opposition.
    The now fully exposed Fake Science spread by Lancet, NEJM and others will not be a defense.
     
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    "Muslim" is not a race. Surely you know that.
     
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    Oh, yeah!

    This nutcase, with ZERO basis (just like Trump), claims she has cured ALL the cases of COVID she has treated!

    Exactly why should we consider her claims as "successful"? In ANY way? Especially that she claims her "100% successful" has ZERO basis in her claim? Not by her or anyone ELSE in the WORLD!

    Even without her claims of "demons" and "alien cures", she is a nutcase, regardless of her religion, sex, or that Trump loves her!
     
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    Your attack on this Black female physician is based entirely on your hostility to her religious and cultural background. All of the many physicians at the press conference reported that HCQ has been a very effective treatment.
    Blind partisan hate, religious bigotry, cultural, and racial intolerance should be set aside by all thinking human beings during a pandemic that threatens us all.
     
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    older white male Protestant doctors are the best, but this lady is being discriminated upon due to her autism, race, and religious beliefs.

    nutcase is not politically correct
     
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    Ask me if I give a **** about the semantics of whether banning a billion people from traveling into the country solely because of their religion is "racist," "bigoted," "xenophobic," or all three.
     
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    How many Americans have died this year after an adverse reaction to HCQ?
     
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    Three big studies dim hopes that hydroxychloroquine can treat or prevent COVID-19
    Jun. 9, 2020
    Through the fog of alleged misconduct, hope, hype, and politicization that surrounds hydroxychloroquine, the malaria drug touted as a COVID-19 treatment, a scientific picture is now emerging.

    Praised by presidents as a potential miracle cure and dismissed by others as a deadly distraction, hydroxychloroquine was spared a seeming death blow last week. On 4 June, after critics challenged the data, The Lancet suddenly retracted a paper that had suggested the drug increased the death rate in COVID-19 patients, a finding that had stopped many clinical trials in their tracks. But now three large studies, two in people exposed to the virus and at risk of infection and the other in severely ill patients, show no benefit from the drug. Coming on top of earlier smaller trials with disappointing findings, the new results mean it’s time to move on, some scientists say, and end most of the trials still in progress.

    "It just seems like we are ignoring signal after signal,” says Eric Topol, director of the Scripps Translational Science Institute. U.S. President Donald Trump’s promotion of it led to a scientific “obsession” with hydroxychloroquine despite thin evidence for its promise, he says. “We’d be better off shifting our attention to drugs that might actually work.”
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...oxychloroquine-can-treat-or-prevent-covid-194
    Science’s COVID-19 reporting is supported by the Pulitzer Center.
     
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    Donald Trump is a racist.
     
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    However, this unverified physician went beyond any competence or standards to make ridiculous and blatantly improbable claims of "perfection", with no verification whatsoever.

    Whether this a black woman, a white woman, a white Protestant doctor, or the President, it is a load of BS. Trump's further praise for her is utterly baseless, although it is the usual BS claims he makes most days.

    Thus, there is no basis for your aspersions to me or my statements, and all of their spurious claims, just like Trump's claims, are ridiculous.

    No blind partisan hate, religious bigotry, cultural, and racial intolerance is demonstrate or even implied in my statements.

    Fail for being a nutcase!
     
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    His lack of diplomacy, and his claim that he's the most expert expert of all the experts that have ever been considered experts lead to that.

    The moment he said, "I dunno; I just feel it in my gut that it works," all the doofuses on the left started to get their 10-minute Google degree in why it doesn't work, while all the doofuses on the right started to get their 10-minute Google degree on why it does work.

    That's not an appropriate way to use the bully pulpit. He's dividing the country even worse than it was.

    When is the guy going to come along who can unite us, again? Why does every administration have to prove just how much more sucky it can be, compared to how sucky the last administration was?

    The challenge should be to be a BETTER president than the previous president. What's been happening, though? Each administration asks how they can **** it up more, and they go that route.
     
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    Verifying information is not a contest,
    it's a question of separating fact from fiction; truth matters.
     
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    Not the point.

    The point is, most people should have thought, "Why is my president spouting his random thoughts as cures, live, on television?"

    Presidents shouldn't ponder. What president's say can impact the entire world.

    Why do people hate him so much they can't see straight, and why do people worship him so much they can't see straight?

    It's truly bizarre.
     
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    Blantantly false. Many (not all) have proven to halve mortality rates of ARDS patients. I provided you with a site that has many of the successful trials with PDF's of their protocols and results. You chose to not review them because of your political bias.
     
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    Do you know of any concluded double blind, randomized trials which found a benefit of HCQ on Covid-19?
     
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    Can anyone here tell me why HCQ is still a topic?
    To those who have posted three dozen or more times on this thread,
    If you don't want to take it, refuse it when offered and stop whining about other people's choices.
    If you do want to take it, it is readily available at a very nominal price stop whining about other people's choices.
    To those in other countries, it is none of your business what the US chooses to do so stop whining about our options.
     
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    "Semantics"? Again, Islam has nothing to do with race.

    "He [Muhammad] also said: "If you knew that which I know, you would laugh little and weep much" and "No time cometh upon you but is followed by a worse." He warned them that his people would surely follow the Jews and the Christians upon the path of degeneration: "You will follow them that were before you span by span and cubit by cubit until if they went down the hole of a poisonous reptile you would follow them down."
    MUHAMMAD, His Life Based on the Earliest Sources, [The Sira] Martin Lings, Inner Traditions, Rochester Vermont, 2006. p. 345.

    Lings was a British convert.
     

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