If places like California are completely locked down, then where are people catching COVID?

NOW who's waiting?

 

You mean the outside world where they are still allowed to go to work, shop, and do errands?

 

Do we know that there has been spread via shopping?

 

We know you are required to wear masks while shopping and stores in my area have closed for COVID fogging several times when their employees contracted the virus. I think Sam's has done it 3 times and lidl's about the same in my city.

 

And that's before you start accounting for essential workers going around doing their jobs. And after that you have to account for people going out to do essential activities such as getting groceries. And no not everyone does the online ordering. We stopped doing that when they kept messing up the orders, even have switching among all the local stores.

For the record, this is intended as a follow-up to.your post, not a counter.

 

That was a different person who gave you the second wrong info.

 

Any contact with other people is a risk vector. In reality, unless there are very strict protocols, tracing can only do so much.

 

Which doesn't mean they contracted it via the store. Such shut downs are part precaution (because it still might have come from in the store) and part security/medical theater.

 

And you don't know if your spouse gave you covid because you developed it after they did living in the same house. Could have gotten it while shopping for their chicken soup that morning.

 

~ The cat could bring the virus home after a night out prowling .

 

Rather my point.. given the incubation period, it's hard to trace up to two weeks of activities for most people.

 

Posts 4 and 5 are beautiful examples of rationalization.

Denying lockdowns exist by trying to quantify the hours necessary is really just moving the goal posts, as those in denial often do.

 

Knowing what we know about how how man-child people like Trump operate, there has never been anything close to a lock-down in this country.

 

It's never talked about in MSM, but I have long wondered about the role household pets play in transmission of the phantom virus.

 

Oops, you are right. Sometimes, trying to go through a number of posters who replied to me, I lose track of who is who. My apologies to the people involved.

 

I understand easily. That is why I live my life in the hands of God. Many can't accept that. If it is my time and I die, China Virus is no longer a fear. It is quite liberating. Before that happens, I am going to enjoy my life. Heaven will be liberating also.

 

It is nevertheless a case in point. The point being that even if you do everything right, you can still catch the virus. But I am with you on doing everything you can to reduce that chance. It is good that vaccines are becoming available.

 

Exactly. Fear not. Inner peace is a benefit of faith in trying times. God is not going to let me live on day longer nor let me die one day sooner than he has planned.

 

90 million out of a population of 330 million Americans are employed in essential industries. What are the odds of being exposed to the virus, lockdown or no lockdown, masks or no masks? Hint: Close to 100%.

 

Whatever ...

 

Very limited case in point. Means nothing. His son got infected despite masks. Duh, masks are not 100% protective and nobody EVER claimed that they were. They reduce risk but don't eliminate risk, and there are ways to defeat them by wearing them incorrectly or with poor seal. The quality of the masks matter, too. If his son was given flimsy paper masks, he won't be very protected, while if he had a professionally sealed N100 mask, chances are that his risk would have been minimal (but still, not zero).

As for the two other people, the poster and his wife who didn't get infected despite no masks, one, he doesn't even know if they they truly didn't get infected because he and his wife may have been asymptomatic cases. Two, if they didn't get infected maybe they are just more immune than others, which theoretically happens to some populations (people with certain blood types, people with Neanderthal genes, people with high levels of vitamin D, people who have had several common colds caused by other coronaviruses, and factors unknown).

So, what is preposterous is that this guys reaches sweeping conclusions based on THREE cases in a country of 330,000,000. "Oh, if my son got it and was masked, masks are useless. If my wife and I weren't masked and didn't get it, masks are useless."

It's like the person who says "it's snowing outside today; there is no global warming." I have little patience for people who don't understand Science and engage in silly generalizations based on very narrow and limited situations.

 

Because we don't buy into the fear you promote, Daniel, does not mean we are against common sense precautions. Personally, I think social distancing (especially among unknown people) is far more effective than wearing a Covid muzzle. I will wear one from time to time out of respect of the fearful. I have always instinctively done that during the flu season. Never had a vaccination. I might take this one though. By the time I get it, there will have been millions before me.

 

Odds of having to defend yourself with a gun in the US is about 1 in 20 million this last year.
Odds of catching Covid - about 1 in 25 this last year.

And you accuse the ones wearing masks as being the fearful ones ...?
Bless your heart.

 

I have defended my family with a gun thrice. Once against a bear, once against coyotes that attacked my dog, and once against two home intruders. I'm not fearful. Just prepared. Have a son testing positive for COVID. No symptoms. He works in assisted living and wears a mask all his waking hours. What about China Virus deaths? Are they distinguishable between dieing with or dieing from? My Dad had COPD. He died of a heat attack. Which statistic was awarded? Heart disease or COPD? Maybe 50% each? I know hospitals get more money just awarding 100% to China Virus.
Thanks for blessing my heart. It greatly appreciates it Dude!

 

I'm gonna have to sit on your bandwagon on this one. No offense to believers, but Jesus said "thou shalt not tempt the Lord they God". So it seems to me that not taking readily available and commonly known precautions to protect yourself from the virus is not unlike jumping off of a tall building and expecting the Angels to catch you. Not even Jesus himself would do such a thing when prompted by Satan. (Matthew:4) I say do everything you can and trust in God because faith without works is dead. James 2:26 "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." Sorry for the scripture quoting. I'm not trying to be preachy. It just seems appropriate to the religious point.