If places like California are completely locked down, then where are people catching COVID?

We're not talking about the small percentage who might die, we're talking about infection rates. The risk of INFECTION is high.

 

If my nation were engaged in a war, and asked citizens to keep their windows blacked out for four years (as was done during WWII), I might not like the claustrophobia of that, but I would adapt ... because there's a war going on. Why would you choose to be the only house on the street with lights blazing, so the enemy can drop bombs and kill you and all your neighbours? What is it that drives you to work against the interests of your community and nation?

 

And another question .. why does a lockdown at home feel like being in prison, to you? Have you considered that that says more about your living circumstances than anything else? Home should feel okay. Home should feel better than okay, actually.

It might interest you to know that in my country, where lockdown was real and actual (no going out), many many people actually enjoyed it immensely. Was first time in their adult lives they'd slowed down and smelled the roses. First time they'd been able to get off the treadmill. First time they'd been able to spend quality time with family. Etc etc.

 

They're looked upon by most people as a bunch of idiots who are more interested in their personal freedom than they are for doing anything for the good of the community.

 

~ Many of us have already been infected. Most show no symptoms. Like all virus this will run it's course if allowed. Vaccine therapy is here and will soon stop the spread. Same thing happened with the Hong Kong flu in 1968.
Now we must hold China responsible and return to normal .

 

With all due respect, blacking your windows to avoid bombs dropping on your home or in your neighborhood is hardly a good analogy to staying home to avoid a virus which over 99% of people survive unless they are older than 75 years, in which case, only 97.8% of the elderly live through a bout with Covid.

 

~ Ah - but to those that are dependent personality type and blindly trust authority it is a perfect analogy . Mix in a news media that survive on doom & gloom headlines and the fix is in. Sad but true ...

 

You make assumptions about my living circumstances? LOL

I'm an introvert and a homebody, who also knows that being isolated all the time is extremely bad for peoples' mental health. Working at a job outside the home and/or socializing with friends/family in person is a human necessity. People have to have some form of enriching/rewarding human contact in their lives. Social butterflies have more of a need for human contacts than introverts have, but it is a necessity for all.

 

Dare to step outside and you'll find the murder hornets have overtaken the planet, sayeth the news!

 

You understand this is a numbers game, right? It's not about the 'death rate', it's about a critical mass of people falling ill in any given time and place. There's a point at which essential healthcare services will be compromised, which in turn means many people in need of more critical care will be compromised.

Even if you remove just the above from the equation, and simply have a certain number at home recovering - the impact will be huge. For a start, many will need to take a few weeks off work to recover or to see out quarantine, and everyone in their household will also need to quarantine. That impacts employment, education, commerce .. all sorts of things. Our fragile systems are predicated on the vast majority being well most of the time. They're simply not set up for the huge numbers that a highly virulent disease delivers.

 

Right. That's why short sharp lockdowns are the best option. Lock it ALL down for a couple of months, and be done with it.

 

~ In Florida it's the killer mosquitos !

~ It's too late. That only works in the very beginning of an epidemic. Thank China for the delay.

 

We got the same information from China that you did - at the same time. So did Vietnam, Thailand, New Zealand, Greece, Jordan, etc.

And it's never too late. Lock down the entire country for two months. No one in or out. All city, state, and national borders closed. No one travels more than a few miles from home. No more than two people out in public together. Etc etc.

 

~ Yes and they likely did not listen and took precautions. The CDC/WHO and even UN downplayed the danger at the request of China. Taiwan warned WHO in late December - but they kept silent at the request of China. The details are available for public scrutiny - but not from network news.

 

LOL. Yeah, that's a fair enough meme actually, but to be fair to DeAnna, she might hold a consistent standard and say that while she believes in the right to bear arms, she doesn't think that people should have them purely for self-defense because that would be not trusting God. Then again, I think that there is a distinction between something natural (coronavirus) and a human action where free will is involved (a human threat while picking up groceries.)

 

What does A have to do with B?

 

You can't lock down 100% of people in any country. It's impossible. Some people do have to work and as long as you have any essential workers going to a fro everyday, they'll take any bug-a-boo exposure home to their families.

Lockdowns do not work, even the Maoist-style totalitarian lockdown your country implemented. Every time you reopen and allow travel, people will be exposed again. This virus is endemic.

 

We don't bow the knee to totalitarian communist practices here. Not yet anyway. No doubt that Biden will try to oppress our population, but fortunately decision-making is up to the discretion of 50 state governors.

 

We had the same info from WHO. We are a Western Nation ourselves, and relied on exactly the same intelligence that Europe and America had.

 

We contact trace when even a single community case appears (that's how low our numbers are since June/July .. even one case makes headlines). Those who might have been exposed self-isolate, and usually within a few weeks the numbers are down again. We try very hard not to let it get out of hand, to the point that contract tracing becomes impossible. If it DOES get out of hand (despite best efforts), we then lockdown hard. The State of Victoria did that, and subsequently went a hundred days without a single case. It was only that an infected person managed to get back in before border closed, that they have a few cases today. And they will get on top of those quickly, I have no doubt about that at all.

Australia is getting better at this game - but New Zealand, Vietnam, Thailand, and Taiwan are the masters.

 

Enjoy your communist rule. If you're okay with it, who am I to criticize. Shrug.

 

Go over to Taiwan one time. Call someone there a communist. I won't pay for your funeral

 

Yes, and people who are going in and out to work, or even to purchase groceries with or without masks are likely to be getting fairly regular low-dose "hits" of viral exposure, which works as an innoculant. Only people hiding under their beds 100% of the time will have no exposures, leaving them as the few remaining vulnerable targets.

Anyway, vaccines are on their way now. We'll see how the governments drag out the Covid fear porn after most of the public has either natural or vax immunity.

 

Taiwan never had a local or national lockdown. They did contact trace very early, shut down incoming travel early, and limited indoor gatherings to 100 people and outdoor gatherings to 500 people. (That's a lot of people!)

Some governors and global leaders in supposedly free countries are being more Maoist totalitarian than Taiwan ever considered being.

 

Yeah. There really hasn't been a true lockdown. Not really surprising.