What are your views on abortion?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Daggdag, Oct 19, 2020.

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Which best describes your view on abortion

  1. A woman has the right to choose to get an abortion with no limitations.

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    47.7%
  2. Abortion should be illegal after the first trimester

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    18.6%
  3. Abortion should be illegal except to preserve the health and life of the mother.

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    27.9%
  4. Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances.

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    5.8%
  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    WTF???

    Are you aware that sex is an important part of human relationships.

    Are you aware that there is NO birth control method that doesn't have a failure rate - other than permanent surgical removal of body parts?

    Are you aware of rape and incest?

    Yes, I too would PREFER that we not have RAPE!!!

    So, can I assume that YOU would also PREFER that we not have RAPE?

    Are there any other things you would PREFER?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you referring to committed relationships, or casual recreational ones?

    Does that statement still count when the "relationship" in question only lasts 3 days, or even 1 day?
     
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    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    Termination of pregnancy has always been a thing.
     
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    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    Why does it matter?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh yes, the rape and incest argument.

    Even though 99% of aborted pregnancies were not due to rape or incest.

    Are YOU aware that HALF the women who got pregnant from rape DO NOT feel they need to get an abortion?
     
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    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    Even if 110% of them were not, it would not change anything. Abortion is an entirely private matter.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why should it be any more private than a woman and a newborn baby?

    You do realize they take babies away from mothers when child protective services decides it is not a safe home?

    Are you against that? Should these women be entitled to "privacy"?
     
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    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    It is not and no one has ever said it is.

    This has nothing to do with anything.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    You totally misread the meaning.

    I'm saying that going back to ancient law is LUDICROUS.

    And, you only touched on one such reason.
     
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    Comparing getting a tattoo to pregnancy termination is absurd. Its a disingenuous comparison.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Aren't we talking about invading a woman's privacy, based on concern for the welfare of her offspring?
     
  12. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    The topic is "what are your views on abortion".

    And, if you think you can falsify some argument made here, you should do so.

    Again, if there are lots of arguments against an proposition, that doesn't indicate weakness.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ok, fair enough, but I was talking about other threads.
     
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    Don't pro-choicers say that's what an abortion is? So what's the problem?

    Remove a fetus, or tie some tubes closed, how are they that different? You didn't make a good argument there with the last part of that statement.

    (or are you admitting the fetus is not one of the woman's body parts?)
     
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    I see you can't imagine 90% of women living in committed relationships and raising all the children from every time they got pregnant from the man they are committed to.

    Think that's what this really boils down to.

    The mode of life you are envissioning is simply kind of pretty much incompatible with the Pro-Life one.


    Especially these days, lots of women deciding to have babies later in life when they are not even married.
    If they had just simply decided to have their tubes tied at age 20, they could have spared all those fetuses of theirs they aborted over the years the trouble.
     
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    ???Really???

    Are you suggesting that girls should have tubal ligations in order to ensure that if they are raped they won't get pregnant?

    Do you know ANYTHING about tubal ligation and subsequent surgeries made in attempts to repair?
     
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    I'm just saying, if a girl absolutely never wants to get pregnant, that is an option.

    Aborting is the price you pay for not wanting to get pregnant now but having a baby later.

    She is saying she DOES want to have a baby inside her at some point.

    Pro-lifers are not forcing her to have a baby; they're forcing her to adjust her time tables.
     
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    OK, it's time for you to stop with your outlandish assumptions and disgusting insults.

    My view is that we should be working on ways to reduce the number of abortions through means other than laws against women.

    Canada has fewer abortions per 1,000 pregnacies than we do. And, they have no laws against abortion.

    In fact, they PAY for abortions through their health care system.

    And, I've told YOU that in several different conversations we've had.

    So, why do you advocate even more destructive laws against women when our neighbors to the north demonstrate that YOUR direction is doing WORSE than no laws on abortion at all???

    Between the two of us, I am the one who is advocating for a system with a proven track record of WORKING.
     
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    That wasn't meant to be an insult, it was just a realistic assessment of the social situation.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Pro-Life system can be seen demonstrated working in Amish communities.
     
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    No it is NOT.

    NO girl should EVER have to contemplate a decision that unbelievaly horrifying.

    And, expecting that they would is pure insanity.

    I just don't see ANY level of pain that is too much for you to consider bringing down on the heads of women.
     
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    You are conflating the issue. The difference is due to other factors.

    For one thing, if you adjust for race/ethnicity, 80% of that difference would disappear in the statistics right off the bat.
     
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    But they do: killing her unborn developing child.

    Or is this all about her self-actualization?
    Kill a dozen of her own children if it will mean having a happy little family later in life.
     
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    Abortion often rips apart those human relationships.

    Look at the statistics. How many casual boyfriend/girlfriend relationships actually survive after the girl gets an abortion?
    It's not good.
     
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    "Casual boyfriend/girfriend relationshiops" have never had a great survival rate under the best of circumstances.

    Using that as amunition to bring down more laws on the heads of women is really not acceptable.
     

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