Lol - really cute purposeful dodge. The issue was the choiice you seemed to indicate might be a good choice for girls - preemptively getting their tubes tied on the grounds that they could be raped. Yes. Abortion is not a fun option. Nobody claims it is. Not one person I've heard of. But, that's not YOUR issue - it's HER issue. She is the one who has the rest of the picture, NOT you, NOT judges, NOT legislators.
If you can't beat Canada, then stop hammering women with laws on abortion. And, I do NOT believe you can come close.
I highly question that claim. Where did you read this? However, it is true unwanted children would rip entire societies apart. What do you mean it's not good? Maybe she and her boyfriend rationally came to the conclusion that a child right there and then would be a bad idea.
It doesn't apply with pregnancies from rape, but applies all those other times. Seems like rape is a one trick pony pro-choicers keep having to resort to.
It's also possible rape could justify abortions earlier in pregnancy but not later in pregnancy. Just throwing that out there.
Yeah, you never know what kind of restrictions the nutjob anti-abortionists are capable of coming up with. Thankfully, we do not live in this "possibility" of yours.
So you believe late-term abortion should be allowed, if the woman claims rape? That seems like far more of a nutjob view to me. You've basically pretty much legalized, for all intents and purposes, late-term abortion then. Kill a baby because of the circumstances of its conception. And yes, we are talking about BABY territory. I'm not going to play semantics with you.
I do not think a woman's reason for aborting is of any relevance at all to the procedure's legal status. A woman would only "claim" (as lying) rape if she was in backwards society that only allowed abortion in case of rape. As for late-term abortions, I think it is a non-issue because late-term abortions are usually only performed in cases where even many anti-abortionists agree it should be legal (threat to the woman's health/life etc), but I do not think it is has rights until it has been born, so I do not really oppose late-term abortions.
"Usually" does not mean always. There are still large numbers of women who abort in the late- (or later) term for bad reasons, even if they are not in the majority. (example: her boyfriend dumped her, she got a new job offer and has to pick up and move, suddenly a baby is not such a good idea at the time) Some women might even be hoping to take part in the sale of fetal organs - which become exponentially more valuable the longer she waits.
In other words, you view a woman being able to legally abort the moment before birth as just just a small price to pay for leaving women alone in most other situations. Is that about right? You do recognize there will be women who murder their late-term unborn babies for bad reasons, but you don't think there will be very many of them, and that a law is not really needed. And so you mostly fall back on pro-choice tropes and rhetoric, to justify your position.
The only bad reason to have an abortion I can think of is if the woman really, really, really wants a child and knows the fetus will be born a full healthy baby and the chances of her concieving again are very low. Aborting due to being dumped is a very rational reason to have it done. Maybe she realised she cannot raise a child on her own, maybe she does not want to raise a child on her own because she realises that will be really hard or maybe she rather wants her child to grow up with two loving parents in a stable household. Aborting because of a new, exciting career opportunity is also very rational if it is a job she really wants and values higher than motherhood. No woman decides to abort on pure whim. It is often a very difficult and highly emotional decision. That is literally illegal.
Yeah, but the abortion itself wouldn't be. It makes it much harder to enforce when the late-term abortion itself is not regulated.
There comes a point when it is too late to change her mind. Do you disagree with that? Maybe you think that point is all the way at birth, but you do agree with that statement, don't you?
It is certainly too late to change your mind if the baby is already born. But, again, who the heck waits that long?
There are a small number of women who do wait that long. They do have their reasons. There are news stories. One woman did it to try to hurt her husband after he left her for another woman, right before she tried to commit suicide herself. Another woman was at her wits' end and dumped her baby off the side of a bridge... even though she could have legally left it at a hospital to be given up for adoption.
Okay. This does not, however, change the fact that fetuses do not have rights. You should really focus more on your own ideas and look into your own arguments instead of referring to undefined and unrelated "news stories" and "hypotheticals" completely detached from reality. If you are not religious, there is a chance you might even change your mind.
This thread is full of extremists. I hope this isn't representative of the state of modern society. Seems to be three members here who want abortion available up to birth for any reason.
