Liz Cheney was removed because of her failure to lead the GOP into the future

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    Reality perhaps as you observe it, but not how it actually is.
     
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    Yes, they don't want to litigate the big lie because they are afraid of Trump. That's who is lying.
     
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    Isn't McCarthy the one who got rid of Cheney supposed to be leading the GOP???? Maybe he was trying to thin out his possible opposition.
     
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    Just for s***s and giggles, what makes your version of reality more superior to mine? What Rosetta Stone did you find that illuminated the true nature of "reality" for you?
     
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    No, because it's 5 months old by now. And whatever the DOJ decides, is what the DOJ decides. And should Trump even be in the clear, he'll be 3 years older and the stigma of the 6th will attach itself to him, not the party. If I were chairman, my job would be to distance myself from that event, and to move on.

    'Resistance' should've ended with Trump's defeat. Tragically(but not unexpectedly), it did not.
     
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    Have you ever done something called reading the temperature of the room? If the GOP wanted to litigate what happened on January 6th, they would've said that Liz Cheney is doing an outstanding job. But that's not what the vast majority of the caucus want to do. And it's not about "standing behind Trump" either, or they would've said that.

    The issue is, they want those who voted for Trump to remain GOP voters even when Trump's out of office. There'll never be a new Trump, and in many ways, that's healing for the GOP. But the question remains: How to get those voters? What new message can be articulated to have the kind of success they had in the 2016 primaries with Cruz, Rubio, Kasich and Carson?

    That's what should be the GOP's focus right now, and it was not Liz Cheney's focus. I would have voted for her removal as well were I a Republican.
     
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    They are NOT distancing themselves. They continue to support the big lie that the election was stolen. Which is precisely (the lie) what triggered Jan 6.
    Again, I can't believe how misguided you are, and how you're trying to rewrite History. Sorry. There is no re-writing. The GOP is now the Party of Trump. And that will make them lose in 2022 too, and in 2024. Because a lot more than half of the voters in this country do not believe in Trump's lies and do not want him back. So, the GOP elected officials are stupidly still attaching themselves to Trump, afraid that he will primary them. No, if they wanted to distance themselves from him, then they'd have kept Cheney in her leadership position. Again, how to you manage to understand it the other way around??? Incredible.

    100 prominent Republicans currently not holding elected office are threatening to start a 3rd party, if the elected ones don't walk away from Trump.

    The thing is, the elected ones are terrified of Trump. Shame.
     
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    I'm not rewriting history, I'm just not obsessed with Donald Trump and don't have a fixation and therefore can see it for what it actually is. A public denouement does nothing. If people want to start a third party over it, they can start a third party over it, but it's not going to gain traction(we can see that the Libertarians haven't made headway recently even with a pretty appealing conservative-lite ticket.)

    The only ones who care about denouements and condemnations are the people who live on the twitter verse. In REAL life, why do I care of what you approve of or what you don't? And the same is true for 85% of Americans. They want bread on the dinner table, a stable job and a safe environment. In the words of Obama: It's the economy, stupid.

    Seriously, we're in this present situation because of "firsters", because of the twitter verse. The political conduct they provide is embarrassing and even more embarrassing that it's taken hold in Capitol Hill.

    Here's a hint to them: Stop thinking about an event 6 months in the past, and start thinking about how to combat this inflationary situation that's emerged. Try, if you can to serve your constituents.

    Sincerely, one of the citizens impacted by Washington's inability to govern over our nation.
     
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    Sure, but instead of doing anything for the constituents, all that they want is to appease Trump.

    A third party won't succeed... but in this divided climate, just shaving off 5% of the GOP voters, they will ensure that the GOP will catastrophically lose the elections. So if I were the GOP elected officials, I'd take the threat seriously.
     
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    Lol...

    this is pretty basic. Donald trump, whether he lost legitimately or not, got more votes than any presidential candidate in history, except biden (whether biden won cleanly or not, doesn’t matter). Trump also got more black and latino votes than former republicans. Trump also accomplished far more than anyone could’ve imagined, a huge win for conservatives (supreme court justices, taxes, strengthened border, no wars, criminal justice reform, fixed VA, built up military and more). He was more accomplished than many former republicans in advancing conservative agendas.. the man got stuff done. Oh, and yeah, thank him for vaccine and saving economy from a democrat permanent shutdown.

    liz cheaney is no hero, she’s all about carving a spot for herself as potentially the anti-trump, in hopes of promoting herself as GOP’s new leader, a fraud.

    how anyone thinks that smearing trump (who got 70mm plus votes, accomplished so much and even grew minority vote) is anything other than self-serving and demeaning to the 70mm plus trump voters, is just silly. She’s harmful to the party, after all, she’s the democrats’ new ‘hero’.

    Future leader of GOP should be uniting the GOP and not be smearing one of it’s most powerful and accomplished leaders (yes, trump) and show more respect for trump supporters (yes, trump got over 70mm votes).

    She’s a self-serving, attention seeking fraud and should just become a democrat, she’s their darling now..
     
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    They don't even have to 'appease' Trump, they just have to let it go(and so do we all, I know I have.) Look, the 6th was a tragedy. Never should've happened and should never happen ever again. But at the end of the day, the Capitol still stands, our elected officials have been secured and we're onto happier and pasty times(or at least, we should be.)

    Without the stigma of Trump's name on the ballot, I intend to vote in 2024. And I will be voting for the person who can articulate a vision for America and isn't hindered by thinking about the past. It's over, it's done. There is no "right side of History", it's just history.

    What can be done for us, right now?
     
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    The stupid rino simply was not a team player.
     
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    Again Not even The Devil { Lucifer } is willing to lie so Unmagnanimously.
    The polar opposite is Proveable on an hourly basis.
    But the Left is so tethered to Lies,Fear and Anger ... they are out of
    other options.
     
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    Kasich isn't even in politics right now. Rubio and Cruz have a known record of being complete spineless cowards who bent way too many times to brown nose the Rump. And who the hell remembers Carson for anything?

    And there are still way too many GOP who are still fighting the election of 2020. So, I don't see much critical thinking coming from the GOP.
     
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    Dude, you're so unimaginative! At least try some sort of rhyming for the garbage you think is "poetry".
     
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    Reality to a Democrat is like watching a Mouse run around in a maze.
    Democrats never learn or care to make adjustments.Just plow on
    ahead like a stubborn Plow mule out to pasture and looking for ways
    to burn calories.
     
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    I was one who hated and despised Dick Cheney for his aggressive foreign policy and for what I saw as abusing the power of his office when he was VP. Liz echoed her father's agenda and I felt the same disgust for her. Removing her from positions of power doesn't hurt my feelings at all. However, I do see all this as punishment for not bowing to Trump.

    We can dress this all up as unifying the party, but nothing I've seen so far would convince me that her removal has done anything other than make it clear that standing up as an individual and challenging the status quo will not be tolerated. When all Republican speak the same party-approved words and are punished for being independent, it sounds more like the rules of the old Chinese Communist Party. No free thinking Republicans need apply.
     
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    Is that what Democrats and their toady base ascribe.To Follow the science.
    Use Critical Thinking.Then explain the origins of Critical Race Theory and
    what it's all about.Using examples to prove How Race,as a socially construted concept
    functions as a means to Maintain the interests of the White Population that
    constructed it.
    Rather blatantly Iroinic,given that Barack Obama mentor Derrick Bell
    { Harvard Professor } was a big proponent of Critical Race Theory.
    I guess Obama ran for President ... Twiced just to disprove the theory.
    Because his two Presidential Elections { 2008,2012 } are proof that
    Critical Race Theory is a crock.By application.Yet Obama used it during
    Trayvon Martin.
     
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    And that's yer defense.Sorry Charlie { Starkist commercial }
    You'll need to start using yer noggin.I know that can be a problem,
    some days.As in ... Now ... Where oh where did I put my Noggin.
    I seem to recall I used it yesterday.
    But Tomorrow and Tomorrow I also used it.I think.
    Therefore I ain't.
     
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    If Democrat voters still vote on a Trumpian basis in 2024, then I just don't know what to tell them. Simply put, the 2024 nominee is going to be 4 years removed from 2020, and 8 years removed from 2016. It represents(or should represent) an opportunity to get someone with fresh ideas. It's time for a government cleansing(with votes) of politicians who are owned to Wall Street, owed to lobbyists and special interests outside of this country on both sides on the aisle.

    New ideas, new times. Not what happened in the past. A forward thinking movement is what will lead America into the 21st and 22nd centuries.
     
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    Continuum Lie.Starting with how The MSM Lied repeatedly on how
    Popular Hillary was and her 80 % chance of winning the Presidency in 2016.
    Explain how the Democrat Party { to a person } is ALL onboard
    demanding Voter I.D. be eliminated.
    Right there speaks volumns.I believe no Industrialized Country
    has elections where some I.D. is not Mandated.
    Polling and Newspaper editorials are Truly ... :
    The Enemy of the People
    It's proven every single day.
     
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    I don't even see it as being an independent or standing up to the status quo. it's a person who keep gawking the same thing at a party and you just want them to be quiet. And the GOP caucus basically kicked her out the door(at least as far as leadership, the rest is up to Wyoming voters.)
     
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    Maybe because We the People are Living the Biden Reality.
    No longer Energy Independent.In fact there's a mounting Gas
    Shortage.Gas is escalating.Same with Inflation.Borders are wide
    open and Ice is being mandated to stay in their Offices.No enforcement.
    Police are retiring in a mass exodus.Crime is way up.Unemployment
    is also up.People are spoon fed lies about the must need to wear masks.
    The National Debt is now almost unfixable.
    Kids in Public School are being Indoctrinated.
    Our biggest ally is Israel and they are under massive attack.
    Trump would never have allowed it.
     
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    I applaud the GOP for continuing their suicidal actions. The more and more they embrace the big lie and Trump. The faster the death of that party will happen.
     
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    And the facts/data/statistics supporting your contention that 'the end is near' are where exactly?
     

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