Latest 'Gold Standard' Review Puts The Final Nail In The Coffin For Masks

In fact, the article is an opinion piece. See its title.

1. "OPINION CORONAVIRUS

Once and for all: Masks reduce the risk of spreading COVID
OPINION: A new review suggests masks don’t work in the community. But there are issues with its methodology and assumptions"
From your link

 

So you found a holy study. Meh.

 

Your issues, not mine.

 

You really should read it if you want to understand the subject. I suspect you don't though. I get it. It's more fun to debate opinions than learn about epidemiology, to most people on a political forum at least.

 

It's actually really obvious what you're doing with your new clothes, Emperor.

But please, don't let me stop you from pretending this is an argument about what hospitals do.

Would you like a refresher on the topic we're actually discussing? I can post it again for you.

 

I already understand the subject. It is you who doesn't. Most epidemiology is complete and utter horseshit.

 

Says the person who won't even read a study that challenges his preconceived notions. Somebody arguing about the size of individual virions in evaluating masks definitely does not understand respiratory infection.

 

A study doesn't change science, mathematics, nor engineering specs of masks.

No, it is somebody who DOES understand. The lack of understanding is YOURS.

 

lol okay let me make sure I get it. You are saying that individual viral particles, by themselves without any fluid around them, float through the air and cause infection. I am saying, for the most part they travel in droplets and aerosols and naked individual viruses are not significant. Why do you think naked viruses are causing infection, rather than viruses in droplets and aerosols? What is the evidence for your belief naked viruses are causing infection, rather than viruses being predominantly transmitted in aerosols/droplets?

 

It's all to do with how compliant and gullible you are.

 

Masks are Harmful: 17 Ways That Masks Can Cause Harm

I wonder if the above was considered by those who created the scamdemic, more than likely. That's why they got the gullible and compliant to wear them.

Viva la pseudoscience!

 

I guess all those healthcare workers, doctors, nurses are part of the cult because they're wearing them. Do you think they might know something you don't?







You should be happy they're wearing high-quality respirators. If they get sick on the job and develop long covid, they get disability and that's going to cost you.

 

Since the respirators are effective, wearing them when your risk is greater makes some sense than wearing them when, say, you're out for a walk. Playing golf.

 

What does this have to do with the pandemic causing people, on their own, to slow their purchases of in-person services like restaurants, bars, clubs, and travel?

 

Epidemiology is hokum, healthcare workers who wear respirators are part of a "Mask Cult," etc.. ad nauseam.

It's entertaining.

 

Trying to pretend respirators don't work? Is that your shtick?

 

A logical fallacy says what?

 

Was anyone, outside of a few germaphobes and surgeons while performing surgery wearing such a mask? Given that I've never seen one, or even heard of one before your post, I would say the fact that they exist, and may be effective is irrelevant. Not even crazy ass NYC was demanding people get one of those.

 

The original article is here — https://theconversation.com/yes-mas...ovid-despite-a-review-saying-they-dont-198992

Do you actually understand the difference between opinion and fact. The article that I Iinked to is based on more than just a subjective personal belief (opinion). The article provides evidence for what it is saying so more than mere opinion that has no backing of any evidence.

It seems pretty weak and illogical to dismiss the article just because somebody labelled a reproduction of it as an ‘opinion piece’.?

As far as merely being an opinion piece, that isn’t true. It does contain ‘opinions’ but the opinions are derived from facts and the article substantiates what it says with factual information. Therefore not mere subjective belief. There is no basis to label the article as mere opinion because it is backed up with research and accepted scientific information related to how research is done properly. Labelling something as a final nail in the coffin isn’t a fact and isn’t backed up by any kind of science. Morefield was presenting his own belief and misrepresenting the Cochrane review to match his own world view.

It’s unfortunate that you can’t seem to make a distinction between a fact-based piece and an opinion-based piece. Both the Cochrane review and the article I linked to contain opinions supported by facts. The Morefield piece is more subjective opinion than anything else. Basically, a proper understanding of the difference between fact and opinion is needed to evaluate things and to make judgments. Why don’t you address some facts rather than the subjective opinion of Morefield.

 

Non responsive.

 

Healthcare workers in covid wards often wear N100 respirators.

Irrelevant to whom? They're inexpensive...



... and used by people handling dangerous materials. They're part of OSHA guidance for healthcare workers.

People stopped riding transit because of covid when those who wear fearing covid could have been wearing quality respirators. It's a helluva a lot cheaper than buying a car.

https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/control-prevention/healthcare-workers

The point is that people who need or want to protect themselves can wear good quality PPE and leave others to go without protection. Why should you have to wear a largely ineffective surgical mask to protect people who could be wearing effective PPE to protect themselves?

Pols wear respirators and let workers get sick...


Rudy Giuliana at 9/11 site

You folks are so rapidly anti-mask that you've stopped thinking things through.

 

It has to do with why you may be afraid to give up your mask. Lucius Cassius, or even Peter Blau would probably urge you to ask: Cui bono?

 

- nobody wore those.
- you can still run your eyes and face with the covid on your hands
- come back with a better arguement
- you need to deal with the reality of the mandates which allowed cloth masks which were the norm.

 

This is

 

This is not an opinion piece:

"“***Face Masks***

In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25) (Figure 2). One study evaluated the use of masks among pilgrims from Australia during the Hajj pilgrimage and reported no major difference in the risk for laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infection in the control or mask group (33). Two studies in university settings assessed the effectiveness of face masks for primary protection by monitoring the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among student hall residents for 5 months (9,10). The overall reduction in ILI or laboratory-confirmed influenza cases in the face mask group was not significant in either studies (9,10).”
Volume 26, Number 5—May 2020, Policy Review, Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures, Jingyi Xiao1, Eunice Y. C. Shiu1, Huizhi Gao, Jessica Y. Wong, Min W. Fong, Sukhyun Ryu, and Benjamin J. Cowling, Author affiliations: University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong, China (*** mine)
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article