There Are Only Two Genders: Even transgressors admit it

FAILURE to substantiate transphobic slur noted.

 

Thank you for CONFIRMING that you don't know the difference between a LOCKER room and a BATH room.

LOL!

 

The OP is straining at a gnat while ignoring REALITY!

Sex, gender and orientation are SPECTRUMS thanks to EVOLUTION.

Nature gives herself OPTIONS because of, you know, climates that change.

Regurgitating Xtofascist DISINFORMATION does NOT alter REALITY one iota.

 

Gender is a social construct. Many societies through history have recognized third genders. Your statement is patently false and based solely on intuition and feeling.

 

There are only two genders. They are determined by the genitals which is admitted by trans people as shown (and proven) in the OP.

 

That would mean that the decision of cis women affects others as well

 

For all that I'm of the opposite position from them, that is not what that post said.

 

Why? I means something other than personal sensibilities. And do you hold that men should not have to be subjected to seeing women's genitals in locker rooms? If so why?

 

I don't think so, but it would certainly be hard to prove, at least without being cruel to individuals. What we have are individuals who are looking at their bodies and saying, "that's not me. the configuration is all wrong." It doesn't matter if they are already expressing as the current opposite standard, or maintaining the stereotypes of their birth sex, even after transitioning. If it was then all the transitioning needed would be presentation.

 

What I don't see in that article is anything mentioning sex dysphoria (SD) and how it is different from GD. While I do not begrudge science from creating new terms when we learn that there can be significant distinctions in things, SD is not something that has ever crossed my radar before.

 

I agree with your assessment that testing this idea would likely involve unethical behavior, and honestly I don’t believe my distinction materially impacts how we should treat trans people.

 

The article does not make efforts to differentiate between gender dysphoria and sex dysphoria. It’s a distinction that was brought to my attention by members of various trans communities that I have talked with. Looking into the APA diagnostic guidelines seemed to support the existence of a difference, in my opinion. Whether there’s not more scientific literature on the matter is because it’s deemed bunk or there’s not enough interest in the distinction, I couldn’t say.

 

Exactly how does the OP prove that?

Since the OP has nothing that links to what transgender people agree with or don't agree with, again, exactly how does the OP prove that?

That really depends on how you are using the word. Grammatically, there would be three; masculine, feminine, and neutral. For most of history, that would have been true from about the 13th century until the 20th century. When the common use of the word came to mean the biological sex, then two would be more accurate. Under the current common use, it is greater than three.

Pot, kettle, achromatic

 

True enough. But how we treat people doesn't impact determining the source and whether it's driven by biologics, society or something else.But that information should never affect how we treat someone.

 

SO then what we need, at least for this thread, is a good definition of SD and how it differs from GD.

 

Couldn’t agree with you more.

 

What has the OP proven exactly? You are behaving exactly like one would expect an intolerant transphobic to behave. It is extremely rude to refer to transgender people as ‘transies’, in fact outright ignorant. Generally, when a person behaves in such a manner, one might not bother providing them with the correct information.

Before anybody bites your transphobic bullet, why not go out and actually learn the difference between biological sex and gender. I will give you a hint — biological sex refers to the different biological and physiological characteristics of males and females — like reproductive organs, chromosomes, hormones etc. Gender refers to the socially constructed characteristics of women and men — like norms, roles and relationships. Gender is society’s set of standards, characteristics, and expectations about how men and women are supposed to act.

One can never change their biological sex, but one can change their gender to what best fits them. Having body parts removed or added is just one way for a transgender to do what fits their gender view of who they are. What you are trying to claim based on some placard one person is holding up is that one can never change their gender because there are only two genders. Yes, there are two genders, but one can change from one gender to another based on their own standards and expectations and what feels right for them. There is no reason for the amount of hate, disrespect, and shade thrown at people who want to live their life as one gender even though they were born the opposite biological sex. I respect anybody who can look into themselves and live they way they want in terms of gender despite the nastiness that constantly gets thrown their way.

 

I appreciate you helping to guide the discussion.

I will provide the definitions to the terms as I use them then provide context as to why I believe the distinction is useful.

Gender Dysphoria (GD): A person’s strong discomfort, or lack of identification, with their gender assigned at birth.

Sex Dysphoria (SD): A person’s strong discomfort, or revulsion to, their primary and/or secondary sexual characteristics.

I have already played out my position on Gender, which I believe to be a strictly social construct which, for the most part, reliably maps to sex. I believe that there are innate factors that impact whether or not a person is more or less likely to identify with the Gender they are assigned at birth.

If we grant the above, then a person who is GD might only feel discomfort with their societal relation to gender. They may not feel any form of SD at all. Not sure of the prevalence of this exact experience, but I’ve talked to enough people to know that it’s not an insignificant portion.

So what does this lead us to? It may affect what level of affirmation care a person needs or wants. A person who has GD without SD may be completely fine with only social transition for instance. Or a person may have SD to the extent that altering only their secondary sexual characteristics addresses their needs.

Not sure to what degree you might agree with me here, but I appreciate you pushing for elaboration. I always enjoy chances to refine my thoughts and ideas!

 

Yes, because kids can be present and for all societal norms they are considered private parts. You are essentially advocating for adults to be around kids naked in public areas.

 

Only if they are out flashing their junk in opposite gendered designated areas.

 

Well yes, I do. You're claiming that the OP demonstrates the opinions of transgender people but you've not explained how it does that (rather than what one protestor believes transgender people think) an it directly contradicts what any of the transgender people I've know actually say. You are simply wrong.

 

That is an important point: "for all societal norms they are considered private parts". It's true and it should be clear to everyone.

 

If gentiles don't define gender then why do transies make such a big deal about surgical reassignment and whacking off bits of genital identification? Duh.

 

Ok.
Not serious.

 

Except the poster replied with a yes.
So that's what the poster said.