There Are Only Two Genders: Even transgressors admit it

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAA!

The PROJECTION is HILARIOUS!

ANYONE caught "flaunting their junk" ANYWHERE would be arrested.

Immature cis-males are the MOST likely CULPRITS when it comes to that sort of juvenile misbehavior.

 

Do you see all the things you encounter on a daily basis? Say like racial or sexual discrimination? Or are there maybe things out there that you have encountered first hand frequently enough to know to be real without having encountered them daily.

In this case, yes, from multiple sources. There was no attempt to claim otherwise.

And what does that have to do with the case presented, especially since the trans person in question still had their female genitals they were born with. Aren't they using the restroom of their born sex as opponents want?

And what does the OP have to do with the post that I responded to?

 

I'll disagree with this, at least insofar as how it is being used in the context of gender identity. Gender roles and gender norms are indeed social constructs. But if gender itself was a social construct, then transgenders and anyone with GD would not experience the stress and anxiety of the disconnect. Gender itself has to be an innate trait like orientation is.

 

You are bringing up a dysphoria (at least I am guessing that the D stands for dysphoria in SD) that is not commonly used in the arguments re: transgender people. SO I think if you are going to introduce something that is rather esoteric at this period, you need to back it up. Got any links to this SD vs GD thing?

 

All that shows is that every groups has its ********s, and I've made that argument on several topics about several groups.

 

Actually yes, at least in the US with the various freedoms we have. Granted there is a line where it can become harassment, and certain phrases where it can become threats. But in general, yes they have that right.

Not a good choice of names, given the claims of many of the opponents.

 

Having not read any further yet, this has one of three possible responses.
1) Denial that it is not clear, and you (and others) just don't get it
2) Shifting of goal posts to try to claim otherwise
3) Brush off with neither a denial or claim shifting.

 

That would be true of the anti-transgender people. As for the transgender people, for that to be true, then all would want/need the surgery. But since not all, or even most need it, or maybe only need the top surgery at most, it's obvious that the genitals are not the all-important thing. The important thing is the GD, and the alleviation of it.

 

How is flaunting one's junk in either locker room acceptable? Flaunting, BTW, indicates doing something other than having one's junk simply visible. If you are using the word differently, please make it clear.

 

Who is asking you to agree with anything, and even if someone does, why can't you just tell them to shut up?

 

We have, and the logic flaw is still there. The removal, or addition in the case of trans men (why do opponents always ignore trans men and lesbians in these threads until it is pointed out?), of genitals is not about affirming gender, despite the label given. It's about alleviating the GD in the more extreme cases. The logic flaw goes further in the implication that all transgenders who transition, get the full SRS, when that is factually not the case. Many can achieve a sufficient alleviation of the GD with simple presentation or top alteration alone.

 

What gives you the idea that @edna kawabata is not genetically contributing? Given the number of heterosexuals out there who are not bothering to procreate, I can't presume that you are assuming that they are homosexual, a groups which actually does genetically contribute far more frequently than their opponents think.

 

Seeing naked people in showers or in locker rooms isn’t uncommon. My point is their decision does affect others.

 

Unless you’re a transgender apparently.

 

Obviously that didn't happen.

Since there's this thread whining about trans.

 

Lol.
Now you speak for millions of children all over the world?

 

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/viral-video-wi-spa-koreatown/2631037/?amp=1

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ton-state-man-undresses-locker-room/80501904/

https://katv.com/amp/news/nation-wo...mens-locker-room-at-swim-meet-ex-swimmer-says

https://wpde.com/amp/news/nation-wo...m-shower-school-district-faces-legal-scrutiny

Wether you all like it or not, their decisions all too often affect others. Women should not have to be subjected to seeing men’s genitals in locker rooms. Nor should girls in public schools or in spas or in bathrooms. These are just a few examples and to say it doesn’t affect others is a flat out lie.

 

I appreciate your thoughtful response. I would agree that there are innate aspects to how humans interact with gender identity. My understanding is that it is believed to be a mix of things like hormone washes in the womb, childhood/personal experiences, etc. Didn’t mean to imply that wasn’t the case, and if I argued that explicitly then I’d say I misspoke.

My belief though is that without societal input, gender, and its associated roles and expectations, would be largely nonexistent. If a person were to be raised in complete isolation from other people or outside influence, I don’t believe you could rightly say they’d have a gender. It’s possible that innate factors may play a role in what they might eventually identify with were they to be integrated into society, but without society, it’s largely a non-factor.

 

Says you.

Nobody claims that only four wheels define a car.

 

You’re correct in your assumption. In my post, “D” stands for Dysphoria. My apologies if my short hand caused any confusion.

Happy to explain myself and cite my sources. This article cites the APA diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria for children, adolescents, and adults.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/22634-gender-dysphoria
For Children, 8 traits are identified that would suggest the subject may be experiencing gender dysphoria. Of those 8, a child would need to display at least 6. Only 2 of the listed traits include discomfort with sex characteristics.

For Adolescents and Adults, 6 traits are identified. Of those 6, patients must demonstrate 2. Only 3 of the identified traits include discomfort with primary or secondary sex characteristics.

So this would lead us to the conclusion that in children, adolescents, and adults, sex dysphoria is not required for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. This lines up with my experiences in discussions with both transgender men and women. Admittedly, I don’t have much in the way of scientific literature on the subject, but I don’t feel these conclusions constitute any unfounded leaps in logic.

 

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There are only two genders as proven by the OP. The OP also proves that transies agree there are only two genders. But that makes sense because there are only two genders. There have always been two genders. There will always be two genders. You'll just have to bite the bullet and accept it.

 

And taking their feelings into consideration is called "respect". This is something that is expected by "certain people" but not given in return.

 

yes.

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!

How many people strip naked in a Public Bathroom in a mall?