Jennifer Crumbley, mother of school shooter, found guilty of manslaughter in test of who’s responsib

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    You made the same argument, parents allowed child access to the weapons. That's were the negligence argument had it's teeth.
     
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    FYI, Catholic priests have assigned duties, none of which are politics. Some most certainly are more vocal, but they most certainly answer to their Bishop. Catholism is very hierarchical.
     
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    my wife was raised catholic, I know the church inside and out-I was part of a trial team that convicted a child molesting priest
     
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    I suppose this is great news for anyone who is under 18 and wants to do a mass shootings but also hates their parents too. More genius "LAW" brought to you by THE LEFT
     
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    You do not speak for all Catholics, let alone being a member in a trial against a fallen priest.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    I don't-nor does the guy who claims most pedophiles are republicans-that's a bald faced lie. I cited a respected polling service: anyone who actually read my post noted that I wasn't speaking for anyone but myself
     
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    some of the people pushing this are gun banners and want parents to be responsible even if it's an adult child who breaks into the family safe with a torch. But I think this verdict can bite the left in the butt because most criminals come from single family households and single women-who are unmarried or divorced are far more likely to vote democrat than voters in two parent households.
     
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    I was referring to your assertion that Catholic priests are liberal, when it is discouraged for them to get directly involved with politics unless approved by his bishop of the diocese that he belongs to.
     
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    No, that was the prosecution argument. His parents took him to the range and taught him to handle firearms. It was held against her in the court.
     
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    OK I believe they are but I cannot dispute what you said
     
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    My parents especially my Dad were very devote Catholics, and when one of the local churches was having financial difficulties, he worked with a group to help. Since they didn't like any of the churches local admins assistance, he petitioned the bishop and was admonished for doing so. That was some yrs back, so policy may have changed.

    I believe where the liberal defined tendencies of priests will come in the form of assistance for the needy, and that may include immigrants. Abortion is certainly not condoned.
     
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    An unsecured gun means a kid can kill their schoolmates, teachers, and themselves.
     
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    Nah, more like the father made a straw purchase for a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun for his 15 yr old son and it was gifted to the kid as a Christmas present by both parents.
     
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    Its very common, and legal, in US for parents to buy guns for their kids. However, there are laws to regulate how the teens can access and use them. I don't know why you argue the training was not used against her in court when it WAS used.

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    Training was not used against Jennifer Crumbley, evidence showing that she was the last person in possession of the handgun on Nov. 28th when she left the shooting range with it in her car was.

    She also messaged her boyfriend on Nov 30th while she was going to the school meeting that the handgun was still in her car.
    Jennifer never trained her son how to use the gun,as shown in the security footage from the shooting rage he was showing her.
     
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    Yep, arm your kids with firearms especially when their daddy was a known violent drunk who is now forbidden to posses firearms and you have a restraining order on him that he can't go near you or your kids.
    Lauren Hoebert is a dangerous low-life.
     
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    Oooh....so he took her to the range. LOL

    The prosecution pointed out she took him to the range and called it "Mom and Son day".

    Taking your son to a range is not a crime, just FYI, I'm just saying that is was held against her in the court, as were all kinds of other things which bare no relevance to the case, like he sex life, messy house, complaints about the quality of the bologna sandwich in jail.

    The local society wanted blood, so they sent her to prison to appease them. This is not a good outcome IMO

    "This was a purchase celebrated by Jennifer on Instagram: 'Mom and son day testing out his new X-mas present,'" Keast said, quoting a social media post.
     
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    FYI....Jennifer never trained her evil son on how to use the semi-automatic gun she gave him as a Christmas gift as you claimed she did.
     
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    Does it? Can you perhaps show us the evidence on your baseless claim?
     
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    Jennifer Crumbley's Blog open letter to Trump.

    ~ Posted on November 11, 2016 · 1 Comment `
    Dear Mr. Trump….
    Dear President Elect, Mr. Trump. Feels funny to even be writing your name like that, but you made history on Tuesday. I’m not going to lie. I was scared shitless to circle your name on my ballot. I have been back and forth on whether to vote for you, or not vote at all. I struggled to make myself find a way to trust Hillary as a President. I could not. You see, I am an American Woman. I value the equality of the LGBT community, in fact, I hold that in really high regards. I am a feminist. I value womens rights and want to be alive when I see the first woman become President. But as an American Woman, with a 10 year old child I could not have that first woman be Hillary.
    Up until the first debate, I was really trying to find a reason to vote for her. Pro-choice, yes, I am a believer in pro-choice, that a woman should have control over her body. That is something right? That was really the only thing that I could find to try to grasp onto as a reason to not vote for you.
    The first debate, Mr. Trump you came out like a bucking Bronco, you fell flat. You pretty much sucked at debating. If it’s one thing those Clinton’s have, is the ability to speak in public. But I am also a woman, I have a very strong intuition and I personally have always learned to go with my gut feeling (thanks mom). Hillary started speaking, I listened, I looked at her eyes, her permanent, unchanging smile, her ability to show no emotion and it was then, my heart sank, my mind became clear and I knew, absolutely knew that her intentions were not true. Her promises are false. Her voice has an evil cold. Everything she has done, whether it was proven true or not to the public, I knew in the deepest of my gut that I could not let this woman have control over my son’s future.
    Mr. Trump, I actually love that you are a bad public speaker because that showed sincerity, and humility. You changed your mind, and you said “so what”. You made the famous “grab them in the *****” comment, did it offend me? No. I say things all the time that people take the wrong way, do I mean them, not always. Do I agree that you should of shown your tax returns? No. I don’t care what you do or maybe don’t pay in taxes, I think those are personal and if the Gov’t can lock someone up over $10,000 of unpaid taxes and you slipped on by, then that shows the corruption. I like that you have failed. I love it even more that those failures taught lessons and made you one of the most successful Business Men in my history. I love that you are not from the political spotlight, maybe you are the hope that can really uncover the politicians for what I believe they really are. I have high hopes you will shut down Big Pharma, make health care affordable for me and my MIDDLE CLASS family again. I hope you uncover the cure for cancer, because there is one, we all know it, but you are the one to prove it. I’m not scared of your big personality and quick temper. There is a whole house of representatives that still have to approve if you decide to get pissed at China and blow them up.
    The Wall. The famous Wall. See Mr. Trump, I support that wall. I am not racist. In fact my grandfather came straight off the boat in Italy. Fought, struggled and had to prove his way to be an American Citizen. He went through the great depression, he then started a successful coil company here in MI where he employed other hard working Americans and paid them a good wage. I want every non-American that wants to live in this great country to have to go through the same process. I don’t even know where we went wrong with that, but if you want to be here, work here, live here damnit, ****ing earn it and prove it.
    As a female and a Realtor, thank you for allowing my right to bear arms. Allowing me to be protected if I show a home to someone with bad intentions. Thank you for respecting that Amendment.
    Thank you for wanting to put our Veterans first. Why we send so much money overseas when we have so much help we need to provide here is beyond me.
    You see Mr. Trump I can go on and on, in fact I used to think Democrat. I don’t believe in God and Im quite opposite of your typical “republican”. But now I am 38 years old. I have a family. My husband and I both work full time jobs. I have watched our insurance premiums double. I cannot afford to buy into this Obamacare. For my family its over $600 a month with deductibles. We bust our ass Mr. Trump. I pay taxes, my husband pays his child support, I donate to charities.. We are good ****ing Americans that cannot get ahead. And what makes me sick, is people that come over here from other countries and get free everything.
    You see Mr. Trump, I need you to stop common core. My son struggles daily, and my teachers tell me they hate teaching it but the HAVE to. Their pay depends on these stupid ****ing test scores. I have to pay for a Tutor, why? Because I can’t figure out 4th grade math. I used to be good at math. I can’t afford a Tutor, in fact I sacrifice car insurance to make sure my son gets a good education and hopefully succeeds in life. My parents teach at a school where their kids come from illegal immigrant parents. Most of their parents are locked up. They don’t care about learning and threaten to kill my mom for caring about their grades. Do you realize Mr. Trump that they get free tutors, free tablets from our Government so they can succeed. Why cant my son get those things, do we as hard working Americans not deserve that too?
    My husband suffered a stroke and a broken back and we were with just my income. Do you know how hard it is to support a family on only $40,000 a year? I couldn’t qualify for State Aid. I made to much.
    Mr. Trump, this is why I voted for you. I see the change that we so desperately need. I see jobs coming back, people having to work for their handouts, money going to who really deserve it. Big Pharma taken down, Monsanto stop poisoning us. Jobs given back to our American workers. I believe YOU are the President who will make these things happen. I have NEVER had this much belief in one person, and you are it.
    If this blog even makes it to your eyes…thank you. From the bottom of my heart.
    Yours Truly,
    A hard working Middle Class Law Abiding Citizen who is sick of getting ****ed in the ass and would rather be grabbed by the *****.





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    This is quite the hilarious post.!

     
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    they don't know me INSIDE or out though

    just in case you were wondering. The church I was raised in, the priests could marry and they didn't diddle boys
     
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    Jennifer Crumbley can check all the boxes on her son that are listed in the study.

    As I posted up thread Ethan searched school shootings and guns so often according to prosecutor Marc Keast that he was getting advertisements on his phone for "mental health help".

    'Years of Research Finds That Most School Shooters Have 4 Things in Common'


    'Having the means to carry out an attack'

    In order to carry out a school shooting, students need access to firearms and ammunition. According to Petersen and Densley’s data, 80 percent of school shooters obtained their weapons from members of their own family, typically parents and grandparents. “Once someone decides life is no longer worth living and that murdering others would be a proper revenge, only means and opportunity stand in the way of another mass shooting,” according to the authors.'

    cont:
    https://www.rd.com/article/things-school-shooters-have-in-common/
     
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    Ahhhh! the handjob queen.


     
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    So you say, but your post about knowing a religion, inside and out you never practiced is quite hilarious.

     

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