Jennifer Crumbley, mother of school shooter, found guilty of manslaughter in test of who’s responsib

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I'm on the fence about this ruling. I think parenting has gone the way of the Dodo and the lack of parenting is starting to become extremely evident with our out of control society.

A ruling like this could set an interesting precedence... Granted, it needs to be administered equally and blindly. Not a select group of people.

What are your thoughts on this ruling?

 

Like @Bearack I'm also on the fence on this one. I glad I wasn't on that jury.

 

Yea same, so does this verdict start to show up in gang shootings with teenagers? That would create an interesting development to say the least.

I'm also leary of a government dictating parenting do's and don'ts so I guess I'm on the fence....

 

I have no problem with it. Of course I don't know all the details, but I am with the notion of being responsible for one self

 

The length of sentence will be very interesting...

 

I actually approve of the ruling based on the fact that her and her husband bought this kid a handgun and gave it to him.
As I remember (and this could be off a bit) I thought he was like 15, was called to the principal's office for his continued claims about guns in class, the parents were called in knowing he had access to this gun, and they never even checked his backpack for it.

Then he was released back to class and started shooting other kids. I mean really? I have no problem with buying the gun for the kid but allowing him to have access to it, and not even checking to make sure he didn't bring it to school?
Yeah, I think they should be held liable.

 

Yeah, this is a tough one.

What do we do about the millions of other low-life scum that assault, rape, murder and commit mayhem? Prosecute their parents, too?

I don't disagree with the verdict but it's funny who they picked to prosecute.

Ha, freaking, Ha

 

Well hopefully that goes for all races then. If we're going to make parents responsible, shouldn't that include the teenager in a detroit michigan gang shooting if the teenager happens to black or hispanic?

 

Unless it’s health care decisions, right?

These parents armed the child and then ignored warning signs. Hopefully we move to these types of charges being the norm for underage shooters.

 

No never agreed with Covid mandatory shots and boosters. I also have no issue passing a law to take us back to Roe so have no clue what you're trying to ask? Like I did say I don't disagree with this but it's a slippery slope.

 

Yeah, im down for expanding liability to include harsher punishments for parents under such unbelievable negligence. Granted, there wasn’t much time between when they were told of the picture the kid had drawn and when he actually committed the crime so I feel a little bad there, but still, at the end of the day kids should never be given access to weapons with no supervision. Period. The warning signs be damned.


That said, that should not lessen liability of the shooter. POS should rot

 

I don't know how she could be found guilty of manslaughter when she was nowhere near the crime scene. Buying an underage kid a gun crime, but not manslaughter.

Parental civil liability is common in any State, where parents are liable to pay financial damages for their kids infractions, but being held criminally liable is unheard of, - or at least I can't remember this happening before. Based on the article it is in fact first time it happens.


Legal Issues With Parents Buying Guns for Their Kids

Criminal Parental Liability
Parents are not charged for their children's acts because they did not commit the crime. U.S. criminal law does not prosecute individuals for crimes they did not commit. An exception is when they did something to contribute to the commission of the crime or encouraged the criminal in their actions.
https://www.findlaw.com/family/paren...liability.html

Restrictions on Children Using Firearms
There is a “parental consent" exception, but it comes with restrictions. Under federal law, a parent or legal guardian can purchase a gun for a minor (technically, there's no minimum age), or let them borrow it, but the parent has to give written permission for the minor to use the gun for certain limited purposes.
https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/...sues-with-parents-buying-guns-for-their-kids/


Will this kind of thing be a thing of the past soon?

 

Parents are responsible for the behavior of their children, but this is a tough one.

Murderers are overwhelmingly democrats in this country. Are we going to start punishing the mothers, and possibly the fathers, or inner city children?

 

Oh, you opened up a trashcan of worms there fella..

 

No idea how I would have ruled. But it's very....gross....the idea of holding people accountable for the actions of others.

For now though, I suppose I'm against this ruling. But parenting is definitely an issue these days.

 

In this specific case, I think there some warning signs the parents should have acted on. I don't know if it rises to the level of manslaughter, but definitely negligence.

That said, this case happened mostly because it gave everyone a chance to feel like something was being done about school shootings. Which of course it isn't. But maybe it will prevent some future shootings because parents will be paranoid they could get in trouble. We'll probably never know about those cases. The ruling may be based on faulty logic(that the parents are responsible for the teenager's decision to shoot up his school), but it may have some positive effects nonetheless.

 

It may have some positive effects, but the negative ones are well known. With this precedent set, the State has gotten a lot more powerful and we the people are weaker via collective punishment.

 

Again, US criminal law does not prosecute individuals for crimes they did not commit, so this might get escalated to higher courts.


Criminal Parental Liability
Parents are not charged for their children's acts because they did not commit the crime. U.S. criminal law does not prosecute individuals for crimes they did not commit. An exception is when they did something to contribute to the commission of the crime or encouraged the criminal in their actions.
https://www.findlaw.com/family/paren...liability.html

 

During a bail hearing for the Crumbleys, prosecutor Marc Keast showed the judge evidence that Ethan spent such a huge amount of time on his phone looking up school shootings and guns that he was being sent advertisements for Mental Health help.

Statistics on mass shooters show that 80% of shooters got their firearms from parents or grandparents because they were too young to purchase them themselves.

 

That's not completely true. The getaway driver in a bank robbery is charged for murder, if a bank employee is shot dead.

I agree legal areas can get a little grey at times, buy imo, the parents, who are the legal owners of the weapon need to be responsible. I understand where it should be civil and not criminal.

 

So, my first question is why, given the responsibility of the parents here, why the school and its administration weren't also coconspirators? They certainly didn't do anything to protect the kids. Why aren't they also legally attachable to this? If wrath is the goal here, why not attach all of the folks responsible?

 

Per capita, blacks murder blacks at five times the rate that whites murder whites. And blacks murder whites at twelve to fifteen times the rate that whites murder blacks. That said, I don't recall black Parents ever tried for the crimes of their children. So is it because the Crumbley's are white, that they are being held to this impossibly high standard? To me, the charge seems to be anchored in meanness rather than reason.

 

If they buy their kids guns and ignore issues with their access to them.

 

Yes, the driver is charged because he participated in armed robbery and murder, but in this case the mother was nowhere near the murder scene and had no idea the kid was planning to do it.

If your kid can land you in prison for crimes you had no part in, then that's one more reason to re-consider having kids. Its also a reason to re-consider owning guns if you have kids, because they WILL find them and could potentially kill someone with them.

Blacks, blacks, blacks.....it never ends. You never heard of such case before because this was the first case of its kind, but I have a feeling lot of parents are going to end up in prison with this precedent.

 

It is possible for the getaway driver not being in the robbery loop. I believe they are still charged. This is where the legal issue becomes more grey area. I wonder if the state in each of these scenarios have some leeway on the charges.