Do you defend starvation as a weapon in Gaza?

No, but I trust Netanyahu even less.

I trust the UN much more than either, though I am still remain somewhat skeptical of any governing body.

 

I don't agree.

Hamas has to go.

But, that doesn't mean that Israel gets to carry out genocide against the Palestinian people.

Also, our US military doesn't subscribe to the idea that attempting to shoot all the terrorists is a successful way to end a terrorist group.

 

Of course you'd trust people that have explicitly stated their goal is the extermination of Jews, and actively work to carry that out.

What's burning children alive and shooting pregnant women in the stomach, mass abduction, etc in the face of someone as bad as Netanyahu.

Ah yes, the UN. They're great when their troops are committing mass rape of populations and funding terrorism.

I mean who wouldn't trust the UN council on human rights. They have such dignified member states like Congo, South Africa, Rwanda, Somalia, China, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Venezuela.

 

In this case, they are taking a far more moral path than is the USA.

The USA buys bombs for the IDF to drop on civilians and vetoes attempts at ceasefire.

 

No, the USA sells them bombs to drop on an organization worse than the Nazi's, who intentionally build their terrorist bases behind civilians in violation of the rules of warfare.

We did the same thing to the Germans. We did the same thing to the Japanese.

And now look. We're besties.

 

No, we donate bombs to drop on civilians, and put it on our tax bill.

I mentioned WWII above. We made every effort to drop our bombs on German military establishments. Bombs dropped off those marks were considered failures - something we worked to prevent.

What we did to Japan was a war crime. What we did to Dresden was a war crime.

 

It is truly amazing at what faith based narratives are capable of. Facts clearly don't matter. That is infinitely more scary than Hamas. At least they are quite clear that their mission is to kill Jews and destroy the nation state of Israel as is explicitly stated in the Hamas charter.

 

And now the PA is the same as Hamas. There is no possibility of a two state solution. Anyone who advocates for a two state solution advocates for genocide against Jews and destruction of the nation state of Israel.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/palest...4#:~:text=The Biden Administration,on Oct. 7?

 

Yes, President Abbas has cooperated with the IDF and worked hard to minimize violence.

His direction has been to trust negotiation and international connection through the UN.

Unfortunately, the USA has been dead set against that.

 

There is no possibility that a two state solution would work. The events of the past two decades in Gaza clearly shows that. The only hope for Gazan civilians is for Hamas to be eradicated from Gaza and implementation of the “Day After Hamas” plan.

The United Nations is a joke. They are part of the problem.

 

The events of the last two decades have been about how well Gaza can survive the constant, day in, day out war waged against them by Israel.

They've shown the strength to do that.

As for Israel, they are now speeding up their humanitarian atrocities in West Bank.

Israel's genocide is not slowing down.

 

And if the Nazi's had turned hospitals and civilian areas into military bases, we'd have bombed them just like the Israelis are doing.

And no, it wasn't a war crime. It was just war. That's why people should think twice before starting wars.

There is no nice and gentle way to kill your opponents in war.

 

Truly amazing. I am constantly surprised about how the actual facts of history can be so distorted. But that's how faith based narratives work.

 

They must be pretty bad at genocide if that's all they've killed with total control of a population of over 2 million.

Course people like you were the ones trying to suggest Israel was bombing people swarming supplies.

Maybe, if you hope enough, you'll get your atrocity so that you can point and say "ah hah" and feel better about your crusade.

 

The faith based narrative advocates are very creative in attempting to alter and ignore history. It's getting to be comical in nature. Let's start a list: Israel left Gaza in 2005 in order to control Gaza. Israel defense against the genocidal terrorist organization Hamas is genocide. Israeli humanitarian aid is a means to starve Gazan civilians. Israel's defense of its citizens is immoral. The US providing the means to Israel to defend itself is immoral. Netanyahu is a dictator even though he is the prime minister of a parliamentary democracy.

 

These are people that don't even know Hamas murdered all of Abbas people when they took over.

They completely ignore that NOBODY wants the "palestinians".

If Israel didn't exist, they would be busy stabbing Jordanians and Egyptians when they weren't stabbing each other.

Their entire culture is centered on violence.

 

This what happened after Hamas won the legislature and then violently overthrew the PA Gazan government.

Freedman, Ilana. Hamas: The Story of Islamic Jihad on Israel’s Front Lines (Civilization Jihad Reader Series Book 14) (p. 13). Kindle Edition.

 

Yep. If Israel wasn't there they'd just be launching rockets into Egypt.

 

How exactly did the Israeli leadership facilitate money to ensure Hamas will win? Details, please.

 

I never said that the numbers are over counted. Simple math shows that the numbers are inaccurate.

 

The numbers can't be known, and access is severely restricted, but you're quite sure that most of them are innocent women and children intentionally targeted by evil Israelis. How do you know that?

 

Not for long. Although there isn't much in the Sinai Peninsula Egypt would level the Gaza Strip with hundreds of thousands of deaths in a matter of weeks. Of course those of us who understand the facts of history know that the Sinai Peninsula was part of Israel as the result of the 1967 Six Day War. Israel returned the Sinai to Egypt in 1982.

https://israeled.org/sinai-returned-egypt/#:~:text=A major pillar,in effect today.

 

Obviously I meant to post that Netanyahu is NOT a dictator. He leads a coalition government and is answerable to the people of Israel,

 

The IDF carefully explains how much a Palestinian is worth.

However, there are people in Gaza who video and state what's going on and give plenty enough information to show that the Palestinian count is more likely to be an undercount.

They aren't counting the people who are missing. Where do you think they went? Do you think they caught a flight out of Gaza? Or do you recognize that they have NO CHANCE of searching through the rubble of bombed apartment buildings?

And, no. Doctors in Gaza are not Hamas. And, the video of IDF hauling patients out of hospital to be zip tied on the ground is proof that IDF holds humans to be worthless garbage.

Over and over again, the IDF has told civilians where they need to go to be safe. But, then they bomb those same locations! Can you explain Israel's culture on that?

Does Judaism have some ideas on genocide, on property theft, or flat out murder like we see in West Bank?

Seriously - I'd like to know.

I have friends who are Jews and I have worked with those I've hired from Israel. What I see in them does not match what's going on in Gaza. And, they are horrified.

 

In other words, you haven't the slightest idea how the Hamas-run Ministry of Health obtains data about casualties, but you're very sure that Israelis are evil murderers who gladly butcher innocent civilians.

I was expecting this kind of reaction.

Regarding Palestinians' worth, it's Hamas that established the standard: 1 Jew (Gilad Shalit) equals 1000 Palestinians.

However, looking at the bigger picture, it's Palestinians and their supporters who are aggressively attacking Jews in the US and Europe. Why are innocent Jewish civilians under attack in the civilized Western world, and why doesn't the civilized Western world care? Why would Palestinians and their supporters attack innocent non-Israeli Jews, if their struggle is against Israel?

And, most importantly, why don't we see evil Zionist Jews attacking Palestinians and their supporters in the same civilized countries where innocent Jews are under attack by Palestinians and their supporters?