Do you defend starvation as a weapon in Gaza?

This is a total denial of the facts on the ground.

Israel blockaded Gaza - that is an act of war. That blockade has existed from the start, preventing economy, travel, food, water, medicine, etc. Gaza has required aid to survive throughout that period.

In the West Bank, Israel bulldozes the homes and farmland, steal water, and other assets of Palestinians and rules much of West Bank with Israeli military law in which Palestinians have NO representation. Settlers shoot Palestinians with impunity.

The idea that it's a BENEFIT is the most vile sophistry on this board today. It is ethnic cleansing for profit by Israel.

 

The slogan says it all. Those who repeat it want Palestine to extend from the river to the sea. If that is the case Israel is gone. There is no two state solution - they are right about that.

I have provided that information about the civilians in Gaza as well.

 

Israel blockade the Gaza Strip in response to Hamas launching rockets at civilian neighborhoods in Israel. The Hamas act of attacking Israeli civilians neighborhoods in Israel is both an act of war and a war crime.

The PLO represents the Arabs living in the West Bank. Security is provided by Israel. That is a benefit. If Israel left Hezbollah would take control just as Hamas did in Gaza. You apparently have no problem with that.

Your claims are propaganda.

 

Some saying that slogan somewhere doesn't make it policy - like Likud does with its charter.

 

Your claims don't even start to make sense.

And, you can't cite your claims.

 

There is no Likud charter. In the sense that Likud uses it it means that a two state solution is not possible. And they are correct. Gaza post 2005 proves that.

 

I make perfect sense because I understand the history.

 

There charter does NOT say it is impossible. It says that it won't be allowed to happen.

2005 is when Israel began waging war against Gaza.

 

You are making things up. The current Gaza conflict was initiated in 2007 when Hamas began launching rockets from Gaza into Israeli civilian neighborhoods.

I suggest that you study the history of Israel before continuing posting in this thread to avoid embarrassing yourself.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/could-devastating-proof-hamas-faking-210000483.html

Proof Hamas just makes up fake death numbers.

 

Good find. Exactly. Plus the facts that the Hamas controlled Ministry of Health doesn’t separate out Hamas terrorist deaths, children are defined as anyone under 19, and Hamas has in the past (response to 2009 Goldstone Report) that most of the deaths are Hamas terrorists.

Of course those who believe in faith based narratives will reject this. Facts are of no consequence to post modernism “thinkers”.

 

Sure, like the 500 dead civilians in the hospital bombing that wasn't...

More discredited canards about all-powerful Jewish lobby and evil Zionists.

More emotional manipulation attempts.

A totally one-sided view of the relationship between the US and Israel, ignoring everything that doesn't fit your preferred narrative.

Your pathetic attempt at justifying attacks against Jews in the US is disgusting.

I mentioned attacks against Jews in Western countries, not only the US. Why are Jews attacked in the UK, France, Belgium? Why did antisemitic attacks in the UK increase by 300% immediately after October 7th? Why don't we see attacks on Palestinians and their supporters by evil Zionists? Why aren't Jews and supporters of Israel demanding sweeping boycotts of Iran and Iranian citizens abroad, Lebanon and Lebanese citizens abroad, Syria and Syrian citizens abroad, Qatar and Qatari citizens abroad? Why are only Palestinians and their supporters attacking and bullying Jews, while Jews have never employed such tactics against them?

 

Seriously? You want people to be sorry for you because in western countries there is varying sentiment toward Israel?

I live in the US. There is varying sentiment toward the US, too.

And, we absolutely DO see attacks on anyone who looks Arabic - not just Palestinians. And, those who carry that kind of hate are not good at figuring out who is Israeli or whatever else.

This is something that is absolutely horrible. America does not believe in hate crimes, group punishment, or any of that crap.

However, it is hard to get rid of.

And, it certainly is not an excuse for Israel to starve men, women and children to death, to deny aid for those you shoot and bomb.

You have to figure out what YOU stand for and start LIVING morals that are far better than genocide.

Do you think the world is going to forget???

 

That's a claim of someone in Pennsylvania.

There are reporters and western civilians on the ground in Gaza.

The GUESSES made by that guy in PA is most definitely NOT proof of anything.

 

It's ok, not one civilian died here:


Oh, and no one is starving but unfortunately the Israeli apologists can't seem to keep to a coherent story. On one hand they say that the civilians are not starving and on the other hand they say that Hamas takes all the aid for their own use. Much like their claim that Hamas hides in tunnels yet claim that the majority of deaths are Hamas. However we all know that to them all Gazans are considered Hamas including 5 year olds.

 

Israel is starving no one. International humanitarian aid flows to Gaza on a daily basis. Hamas has stolen most of it. Fortunately Hamas now only effectively exists in Rafah. Soon the Gazan civilians in the entire Gaza Strip will be free of these radical Islamic genocidal pyschopaths and the work of rebuilding Gaza can begin under some form of the "Last Day of Hamas" plan which has actually started in secure areas.

 

Israel is starving no one. Hamas is responsible for the conditions in the Gaza Strip. That is the point which you have twisted into a condemnation of Israel's defense against the genocidal terrorist organization Hamas.

What is the source for the photo that you have posted?

 

That is an analysis similar to other analyses which have taken place on the inflated, bogus, and incomplete data put out by the Hamas controlled Ministry of Health. Why doesn't the Ministry of Health split out the deaths of Hamas terrorists from the total they put out?

 

Misquoting and misrepresenting what people say in response to you is dishonest. The fact that aid gets into the hands of Hamas does not mean automatically if it does Gaza civilians starve to death. That is your all or nothing assertion. No one else made that assertion but you. You deliberately misrepresented what I and others have said. It is you not myself or anyone else who makes the illogical assumption if Hamas steals aid from Gaza they automatically starve. In fact I took great care to state point by point that Hamas stealing food and medical supplies is BUT ONE of numerous factors and you don't respond to them or acknowledge them, you choose instead to ignore them and falsely state people such as myself said food issues in Gaza are only caused by Hamas.

When you engage in such intellectually dishonest statements you do not make a point and in fact when you try assign your illogical statement to me, your statement is not incoherent-its blatant in its dishonesty, lack of sense and misrepresentation.

As well your other comment about civilians dying is also idiotic. No one on this forum has denied Gaza civilians have denied, no one. For you to try assert it was said and needs to be challenged again is intellectually dishonest and false in inference.

 

Again you make a false and deliberately provocative statement to bait. There has been no complete eradication of Gazans as everyone knows.

Next let's be clear in what you show above. You clearly show you wish to exonerate Hamas for embedding its civilians to die. Of course Hamas is morally culpable of killing all its civilians. It has had the choice to live peacefully side by side Israel as the original Muslim Brotherhood Hamas did. Hamas leaders openly state they use their citizens as shields to die. They not I say they are responsible for the deaths and have stated they have deliberately used them to die as martyrs.

For you to pose a ridiculous rhetorical question as if anyone who points that out is incorrect speaks to your pro Hamas agenda and how you deflect their strategy of deliberately holding their civilians hostages and getting them killed. You want to come on this forum and pretend otherwise or try deflect from their forcing their civilians into open line of fire not to mention with stealing their foot forcefully, go ahead but have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge it instead of playing deflection and denial.

Your exercises of trying to either deny or deflect what Hamas does are transparent and past the point of shrill absurdity.

 

Hamas can and have always had the option of:
1-denouncing terror, violence and attacks on Israel-they will not and in state repeatedly they do NOT want peaceful coexistence and the only thing they want is to kill of any Israeli Jews and turn Israel and Jordan as well as the West Bank into a Muslim caliph and in that exercise they will continue to attack and kill all Israelis until this is achieved and for that matter attack and kill any Jews worldwide and support any Muslim terrorist to do the same;
2-you ignore 1 which is the reason why the IDF does what it is doing
3-you ignore the IDF is in a war against Hamas not just to save its own citizens but the civilians of Gaza held hostage and forced to die as shields by Hamas
4-with 1-3 in mind you know damn well the answer to your question and play more intellectually dishonest games:
a-Hamas, every last son of a bitch must be tracked down and arrested or killed OR
b-they surrender and put down their weapons and let their Israeli hostages and Haza civilian hostages go.

The choice of whether they die is up to them. As we speak many of them being the cowards they are, fled through Egypt or by sea. Their leaders reside in luxury hotels while their people starve.

Now you pretend you do not know there is a war and why Hamas is being tracked down and taken out. How is this done you ask posing as if you do not know.

It is absolutely pathetic the lengths you will go to serve as an apologist and shrill for Hamas on this forum feigning now you do not know how they are being taken out and why this causes Gaza civilians they hide behind to die.

Hey how does a gun work. How does a missile or bomb work....gee you do not know. Oh no wait tee hee I you mocking the IDF soldiers, Gaza civilians and Israeli citizens who have and will die? You?

You know damn well how Hamas is being hunted down. The fact you try pose it as a question to suggest in any way it should not happen because Hamas should be able to hide behind its citizens and not be held accountable or taken out speaks loudly.

Again you mock Gaza civilians dying because of what Hamas does.

 

I can only speak for myself when I defend the IDF or Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. I am bloody well transparent in saying myself and most Israelis and humans (oh let me go out on that limb) want peaceful co-existence and do not want to see anyone suffer or die. It is terrorists and specifically Hamas we want taken out so the people of Gaza come to see another option other than what Hamas does as a future for their people.

The pro Hamas shrills cowards can hide behind the anonymity of forum names, They will never admit their true agenda and religious beliefs that fuel their support of Hamas.

That is the difference. I do not hide I am Jewish. I do not hide I volunteered in Israel. I don't hide my biases or agenda. I use the name death because that is the net result of all conflicts. I learned a mutilated body from terrorist or civilian or soldier all looks the same. They all make an obscenity of the gift of free choice and life we were given. Period.

 

All fair minded individuals who take the time to understand the history of Israel and the territory on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea are on the side of the parliamentary democracy of Israel against the genocidal radical Islamic terrorist organizations sponsored by Iran.

 

Clearly you are not one of those "Fair Minded Individuals" you speak of who have taken time to understand the history of Israel .. and the Open air Concentration camp known as Gaza but, no worries .. we are here to assist and help you to understand that regardless of the organized terrorist atrocities and Ethnic Cleansing activities the Zionist Lukhid brown shirts in charge of Israel .. the current collective punishment and extermination program of Palestinian women - children - babies and fetuses is bit time war crime .. crime against humanity .. some even saying the G-Word by which Genocide Joe is known.

What did you think of Joe's past Genocidal activities .. via how did you put it ? "radical Islamic terrorist organizations" - showing a slight lack of understanding of the subject matter. The word is "Islamist" not "Islamic" a big distinction between the two .. but yes what is up with Genocide Joe and his love for Islamist Terrorist groups .. a group the poor Palestinians do not belong .. and so not getting arms and support from GI -Joe

 

Don't mean to butt in but .. it looks to me that it is you and not Truth who is mocking the extermination of women, children, babies and fetuses -- mocking these deaths by stating that Ethnic Cleansing and crimes against humanity against these innocent Palestinian Children is justified on the basis of the actions of a small group of radical Islamist terrorists that Israel put in power over these subjected people.

Further you mock those Jewish civilians who died in the Warsaw Ghetto .. putting responsibility for their deaths on a few Jewish rebels .. rather than the Nazi .
Further you mock the Rule of Law .. International Justice -- various treaties - geneva convention and so on.

So .. perhaps be taking log out of own eye .. prior to picking speck out of Brothers