Do you not have health insurance? Do you not support Medicare for all? Why?

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  1. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL I am hardly fat.

    I'm too sexy for you to handle.
     
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    At least your not disputing that your a liar.
     
  3. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do I get a cookie for that?
     
  4. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't believe that pesticides know the difference between an insect and a human, so I don't feed it to my family. Their concern is profit, not your health. Animals raised for meat are fed corn, antibiotics, and even hormones. There is no misconception that all organic is healthy. If you ask people drinking organic beer and eating organic fried food is they believe they are eating healthy, what will they say?

    Currently, the American diet has 1 out of 3 people diabetic or pre-diabetic and you and I are being forced to pay for it.

    Next time you and grill for you and your wife, see if you can find grass-fed, no antibiotic, steak.
     
  5. ECA

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    There absolutely is misconceptions about organic food
    https://blogs.umass.edu/natsci397a-eross/consumer-misconceptions-of-organic/

    The reason 1 out of 3 people are diabetic or pre-diabetic is because they are lazy. They want to eat like glutinous pigs and then sit their fat a$$ on the couch and watch tv all night.

    My wife and I aren't even remotely close to being fat and we are both healthy as can be. In fact we both just had our annual checkup and blood work done. We couldn't be any healthier. Why? Because we eat healthy and exercise. Gee, what a concept. If you consume more calories than you burn off you'll be fat. That isn't my opinion, that is a fact.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First, I am glad to hear you and your wife are healthy and I hope it stays that way. Why should you be forced to buy unhealthy products for other people that you wouldn't buy for your own family? 10% of food stamps/EBT/SNAP benefits are spent on sweetened beverages. They are only fat and lazy because we allow them to be. Why should they get off their azz when you and I are paying their way through life?

    The solution to our health problems can only come taking the responsibility from the tax payer and putting it where it belongs.
     
  7. ECA

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    No, they are fat and lazy because they choose to be. They aren't being forced to buy soda and potato chips...they choose to.
     
  8. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They are fat and lazy because you and I are forced to make that option available to them. Removing that option is the only solution.
     
  9. ECA

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    Ultimately they are making the decision to buy the food, correct? I mean, if you what to take blame for what others CHOOSE to do then go for it. I'll be over here continuing to put the blame on those making the choice to buy and eat said food and not exercise.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lets go with your theory and put out all the free cake and soda they can consume and blame them for taking the free gift. The cost of the items, the medical care that goes with consuming them, in addition to paying their rent (Allowing them to be lazy) fall on your shoulders. I absolve you of blame because you have no choice but to pay.

    Now what?
     
  11. ECA

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    Great point..I've lost count at the number of times there was free cake, pizza, soda, cookies, etc in the office kitchen where I work that I have never touched. I'm sure you won't be shocked to know the ones who do gobble it up are fat. It's all about CHOICE. No one forced any of those people to eat the free food. They ARE to blame for eating the food they CHOSE to stuff into their mouth.
     
  12. Polydectes

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    I saw a very steep increase in my insurance after Obamacare.
     
  13. ECA

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    I saw no big increase to my health insurance when ACA was implemented. And I save on out of pocket expenses with preventive care having no copay.
     
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    Here's what you need to wrap your mind around. "Socialized" medicine does not work in the long haul or on large numbers

    England
    Doctor Shortage is critical. https://www.ft.com/content/e265604c-4a80-11e9-bbc9-6917dce3dc62 This article discusses one of the solutions being the hiring of foreign doctors. This is because they will work for less money than a native-born person.
    Money is the problem: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-38640068 This article from the BBC points out similar needs as the previous and more. From the article "Dr Mark Porter, of the doctors' union, the British Medical Association, argues we have generally staffed a health service we can afford - rather than look at what the population needs." Government is controlling the situation and as usual, the government can't manage their way out of a wet paper bag.

    Canada
    Doctor Shortage: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/art...hortage-will-only-worsen-in-the-coming-decade Again in a different country with a slightly different system they are still having the issues and looking at the same solution....foreign doctors.....who will work more hours for less money than native-born people.
    Money is the problem: https://www.thetelegram.com/in-dept...seeking-solutions-for-atlantic-canada-284540/ This article from the Telegram discusses some of the reasons for the shortage, from the article "Our system says, if you want to be a family doctor here, you've got to take on 2,400-2,700 patients, and you've got to participate in the on-call schedule for family medicine in the hospital,” she said. They have X amount of money for X amount of doctors and those doctors have to take on thousands of patients.

    While the US system is not perfect it still entices people into medicine, because they can make their own hours and have more control over their pay.

    When you have a completely government-run healthcare system that means the government will decide how much money they have for doctors and how much that pay will be. When it takes a person almost 500k or half a million dollars to become a doctor https://www.bestmedicaldegrees.com/is-medical-school-worth-it-financially/ why would a person want to spend that money and then have the government dictate how much they will get paid?

    This is similar in nature to what another field of professionals has to deal with. The profession requires a minimum of a Bachelors degree, but many schools require a Master to really advance or increase pay. Their pay is determined by the government and like doctors, their job is very important. This profession is....Teacher.

    Why would a doctor want to be in the same position as a teacher? Long hours, little pay compared to the debt they put themselves in to get the degree(s).

    "Socialised" medicine works great on a small level with people that are willing to donate their time or work for less money. On a large country scale, there are too many factors that the government can't control and the doctors suffer, therefore the patients suffer. Just like the teachers are suffering so our education system is suffering.
     
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  15. Polydectes

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    Interesting my monthly premium increased by about 150 and my deductable increased by 3k
     
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  16. ronv

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    Those are clinics.
    Kind of like Planned Parenthood. :)
     
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    It's not the insurance that is the entrance. It's the doctors.
    You just need to make sure you pay them enough.
    At the same time you do Medicare for all you need to get the AMA out of controlling how many doctors there should be.
    You may die waiting for your hangnail to be trimmed in Canada, but probably not if you have an emergency.
     
  18. Professor Peabody

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    They are affiliated with GSE Hospitals for more serious illnesses. Go to the HRSA website and plug in a zip code, there are dentists too.
     

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