Malaria drugs touted by Trump can work against coronavirus, top doc tells Laura Ingraham

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  1. hawgsalot

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    Not what he said. He said there were good test results and in his opinion he has hope that it's going to work but it may not. If you think he said it would work for sure get us a quote, I watched the briefing and the reporter questions.
     
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    Le Dr Zev Zelenko is a physician from Monroe in New York state. 500 hundred people with the chloroquine treatment. Zéro people died ! and what ? nothing... the same resistance than France... Why ? the same bigpharma lobbies ?
    I think it’s the same problem than France two month later...
    Take care for your family, the politicians, right or left, don’t care of them...
    Only money, politic debate are joke.
    Good luck for everybody.
     
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    Now we find out that "Dr. Lazurus" is a fake, and Lenox Hill Hospital is denying the guy is on their staff.
    Just another in the long line of bull crap stories posted by right wing blogs.
     
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    Except the doctor is fake who isn't on staff at Lenox Hill Hospital and that hospital is calling bull crap on the story.
     
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    Lets see those links.
     
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    Heck, CNN does that all day long.
     
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    Fake News. Trump was right.

    MORE EVIDENCE OF THE EFFICACY OF HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE AND AZITHROMYCIN
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    A renowned French doctor has reported the most extensive evidence so far that a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin can be an effective treatment for COVID-19:

    Today, Prof. Didier Raoult and his team published results of their new study. The study was supported by the Institut Hospitalo-Universitaire (IHU) Méditerranée Infection. The objective of the study was to find an effective treatment to cure COVID-19 patients and to decrease the virus carriage duration.

    In 80 in-patients receiving a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, the team found a clinical improvement in all but one 86 year-old patient who died, and one 74-year old patient still in intensive care unit. The team also found that, by administering hydroxychloroquine combined with azithromycin, they were able to observe an improvement in all cases, except in one patient who arrived with an advanced form, who was over the age of 86, and in whom the evolution was irreversible, according to a new paper published today in IHU Méditerranée Infection.​

    This study found that in addition to preserving the lives of the patients who were given the combination of drugs, the therapy also dramatically shortened the time duration of virus shedding, which can limit the spread of the disease.

    Prof. Raoult said:

    Our study concerns 80 patients, without a control group because we offer our protocol to all patients with no contraindication. This is what the Hippocratic Oath that we have taken dictates to us.​

    Raoult did not have a control group because it would be unethical to deprive patients of the benefit of the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin therapy. Which is what some Crazed anti-Trump American politicians are trying to do.

    If they withhold this lifesaving treatment extending suffering and death, may they be buried in wrongful death suits.
     
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    iIt’s a treatment which is given in north Africa without problem, and, in a lot of African countries without réanimation services. It will be interesting to see the différente efficience of these different médical services. Algeria use Raoult treatment, we will see if Raoult is the worth doctor or the better...
    Try to search Perone doctor, he is not a stupid doctor ans he want to try this protocol.
    I know a Russian protocol with a different protocol like Raoult protocol is good.
    it’s not a problem of nationalities but there is something right for result against the virus...
     
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    Know that these doctors who attack the lobbies supported by macron are sincere and are leaders in their field.
     
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    Sorry for my poor english but I do my best
     
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    Look, try to comprehend this. It might work. We don't know. It is being tried. Trump threw it out as the miracle cure when we don't know.

    If you can't understand that then at least understand that you have no idea what is going on.

    Is that too complicated for you or not? People who have been using the drug for decades can't get it now because it is being used in Corona virus trials, in New York. Is THAT too complicated for you to understand or not?
     
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    and what ? why this médecine is not avaible now for every body ? think about that... it is not a new médecine... an old médecin..
     
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    All that existed in the US is being used for testing now. They don't make enough to supply everyone. IF it works they need to ramp up production. That probably means new machinery has to be made or modified to produce the drug. It takes time.

    Bringing new production like this online normally takes something in the neighborhood of 18 months. Often it takes years.
     
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    Spreading conspiracy theories is not only crackpot, in times like this it is incredibly irresponsible and can be fantastically dangerous.

    Would everyone please learn the facts and get a grip. Stop trying to cause irrational panic. Every rational person on earth wants to find a cure and a vaccine.

    Trump has probably already led people to their deaths because of his lies and denials. Don't add to his death count.
     
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    Fake News:

    Trump said: "HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN, taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine."

    And he's right.
    You are against drug trials to see if it works? Do you realize that we are in a global pandemic? Is THAT too complicated for you to understand?

    The American College of Rheumatology (ACR) reports that these drugs have a long history of shortages. Despite that, they recommend COVID trials and have issued common sense guidelines:
    • 30-day limit on refills of the drug for patients prescribed the hydroxychloroquine before the pandemic.
    • For COVID-19, adequate amounts of hydroxychloroquine should be prioritized to support clinical trials testing the efficacy of the therapy as pre-exposure prophylaxis, post-exposure prophylaxis, and therapy in mild-to-moderate and severe cases of the virus.
    • Controlled human trials should be expedited, ACR suggested. Pre-clinical data which demonstrate antiviral activity of hydroxychloroquine in tissue culture combined with the need for effective therapy against SARS-CoV-2 fully justified the need.
    See the difference between a sensible science based approach and hysterical hair-on-fire anti-Trumpism?

    https://www.mdmag.com/medical-news/acr-recommendations-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19
     
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    Glad your here. Your English is better than many English first language speakers here! :)
     
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    Duplicate.
     
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    You might want to make that a personal focus.
    Fake news, I gave you the actual quote.
    Oh, I don't think that is the issue here.
    There is nothing complicated about it, you're struggling with something that is actually quite simple.
    Shortages with this drug are not new, yet, these regime is so promising that even the The American College of Rheumatology (ACR) is recommending trials. They are staffed by folks licensed to practice Medicine, are you?
    You are repeating yourself. No one is struggling here but you. Don't be so eager to lap up fake news. Look things up for yourself.

    Give me the names of 5 people who depend on this drug that are completely out of it, and can't get anymore.
     
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    You realize we are in the grips of a pandemic growing exponentially? Do you know what exponential means? Deaths in the US multiplied by 10, first in 13 days, from 10 to a hundred. Then, in just 8 days, from a 100 to a 1,000. If that continues, and it hasn't shown any signs of abating, we went from 100 to 1,000 in 8 days.

    You keep multiplying by 10 in those kind of time frames and the numbers get staggering in a hurry.

    The ability of CQ/HCQ to inhibit certain coronaviruses, such as SARS-CoV-1, has been explored with promising results since 2005. With decades of experience administering these drugs, their safety profiles are well-established. It is likely to take many months for novel, specific treatments of COVID-19 to become available. As a result, there has been growing interest in the use of CQ and HCQ as potential treatments in the interim.

    Trump quite properly informs us of this potentially promising development and the Fake News Clowns immediately claim that he has caused shortages. Do try to be a bit more skeptical.
     
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    Idiotic rant.
     
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    Professor Raoult does not claim to have a miracle treatment. Its treatment helps to lower the virus in the body and prevent heavy resuscitation in the hospital. The risk is not in chloroquine but in hospital nosocomial risk and anesthesia... Being intubated is not pleasant and it takes time to recover.
    It’s giving your body enough time to beat the virus. The winner is not chloroquine but your own body.
     
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    For Raoult it’s like testing a new parachutt you make a group with the parachutt and a group without the new parachutt and... Go!
    The problem with his studies is the lack of a placebo control group. he refuses and who would accept the risk of being in the placebo group ?
    Result for the moment? everyone,except Raoult patients, are in the placebo group...
     
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    So by saying he was hopeful and that it may or may not work but was seeing good results is "throwing out as a miracle cure" . You guys are to funny, the DNC must be paying well these days to spread this crap.
     
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