Malaria drugs touted by Trump can work against coronavirus, top doc tells Laura Ingraham

Discussion in 'Coronavirus (COVID-19) News' started by excalibur26, Mar 21, 2020.

PF does not allow misinformation. However, please note that posts could occasionally contain content in violation of our policies prior to our staff intervening. We urge you to seek reliable alternate sources to verify information you read in this forum.

Tags:
  1. JCS

    JCS Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2019
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    819
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Why do I get the feeling Trump is really pushing this malaria drug because it both circumvents regulations & enriches big pharma, who will then reward Trump with campaign contributions?
     
  2. Louisiana75

    Louisiana75 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2011
    Messages:
    11,363
    Likes Received:
    11,580
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    So with that thinking, any medication that was shown effective, you'd want no mention of it from the POTUS? How would he go about discussion the medicine trials if this is the reaction from the left?
     
  3. JCS

    JCS Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2019
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    819
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Currently the two antimalarial drug variants are being hyped by many (including as a "miracle drug" by Dr. Trump himself), but are still unproven...with mixed results at best.

    Plus, potentially severe side effects (including death), and some hospitals (like in Sweden) have discontinued its use because of adverse effects, while others are using the drug out of desperation.

    Britain has prevented clinicians from dishing out the drug until clinical trials are completed, citing concerns about its safety and efficacy. Professor Anthony Gordon – a top critical care doctors in the UK – today said there was still 'no strong evidence' the drug could treat coronavirus.


    The drug reminds me of medical drugs in general. They may help a few, but overall they're nothing but a poison for most users.

    NOTE: Any patient given one of the two antimalarial drugs is almost always given additional supplements, either orally or intravenously (eg, zinc, vitamin C, B-12, etc.). So if their condition improves we have no idea which one (or a combination) takes the credit, because the administration of nutrients has a long history of helping patients recover from serious illness...eg, IV sodium ascorbate (vitamin C) for end-stage cancer.
     
  4. Louisiana75

    Louisiana75 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2011
    Messages:
    11,363
    Likes Received:
    11,580
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    All a BIG NO! When given in correct doses, side effects are not common and mild and no one has died except for overdosing. This drug has been around for decades and many people use it without problem for many different ailments. It's a safe drug. If you're waiting for drugs to pass long clinical trials, it could take a year or more. How many people are you willing to let die while we wait for trials. I did notice how you were quick to point out that Trump touts this drug. This is why you're finding any and every reason against. it. The left has been against it since it was mentioned. The left doesn't want to end this pandemic, or at least not till after the election.
     
  5. JCS

    JCS Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2019
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    819
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    But what's the "correct dose"? Is it effective? Is it safe for "COVID-19" patients? There are some mixed anecdotal results, some in-vitro studies, and some mice studies, and a severe lack of any evidence for its efficacy...so nothing compelling thus far.

    The drug has been relatively well tolerated in malaria patients & in lupus & RA patients, for which it has been "approved"...but NOT in people with symptoms associated with "COVID-19". That's the problem. Hospitals in Sweden have already discontinued the trials because of the side effects, and the UK has chosen to wait until adequate safety studies are forthcoming before they're even willing to try it. No one knows if the drug would be effective, safe, what the optimal dose would be (if it works) for such patients, nor what other medications or nutrients would be suitable, necessary, or contraindicated in the treatment protocol.

    Here is why one needs to tread very carefully with this drug on "COVID-19" patients:

    MORE...
    Don't be ridiculous.

    You're buying into all the fear-mongering & "pandemic" hype. Where was your complaint, and where was the govt & FDA each year when tens of thousands of people died from regular flu in the U.S.? Are you even aware that ~800,000 people die annually from iatrogenic (medical treatment) causes, with over 100,000 of these deaths from adverse drug reactions? I don't hear you complaining about that. Yet you're freaked out by an unproven "viral pandemic" that causes only mild symptoms in 80% of "confirmed" cases? Not to mention, the "test kits" are very inaccurate. Are you willing to willynilly give an antimalarial drug to patients who are already very ill or weakened from a pre-existing condition and/or already using prescription drugs?

    There are a ton of "alternative" (safe, effective, non-toxic) medical treatments & therapies available if one is looking for a powerful anti-inflammatory and/or immune modulator (and don't expect Trump to endorse any of them). But the best thing we can do at this time is to minimize our exposure to cell tower radiation, EMF, dirty electricity, and powerline fields. That, plus pesticides, pollution/man-made toxins, vaccines, medical drugs, and stress are what's killing us all. There are NO "viruses" to be concerned about.

    Of course. Anything Trump hypes is always suspect. He's a pathological liar & cheater, he's known among NY developers/businessmen as a two-bit hustler & con man, he's linked to a multitude of shady business interests, the mafia & indicted criminals, he & his family have enriched themselves to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars since he took office, his golf outings has cost taxpayers ~$133 million thus far, he's been sued 3500 times, he's been accused of sexual assault by 25 women, he's been impeached, and has a lengthy pre-election criminal past. Trump is a bought man. He's owned by big business, big banks, and big interests (oligarchs) because he's broke (he's at least $1 billion, if not $2 billion, in debt). Trump lacks empathy and has no interest in the welfare of people, and never did. So if he is pushing a product then naturally any reasoning person should be suspicious of his motivations. We do know at one time Trump's former lawyer, Michael Cohen, was paid $100,000/month by major drug company Novartis in order to get access to Trump. Novartis is a major producer of hydroxychloroquine, but it's uncertain if there is any direct association presently between Trump and Novartis.
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2020
  6. Louisiana75

    Louisiana75 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2011
    Messages:
    11,363
    Likes Received:
    11,580
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Thank you again for proving my point. In a thread about a medication that is working well against the virus, you had to spend time writing up a very long paragraph on how much you hate Trump. You are exhibit A
     
  7. Paul7

    Paul7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2012
    Messages:
    15,854
    Likes Received:
    11,608
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You do, and it's clear the LW hopes the Trump pill won't work for partisan political reasons. You are the one ignoring facts if you think it doesn't work.
     
    Louisiana75 likes this.
  8. JCS

    JCS Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2019
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    819
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    Listing facts = hating Trump?? That's like listing all the crimes of Stalin to a Stalin supporter, who then rebuts with "you just hate Stalin".

    Next time, how about refuting/addressing the information rather than throwing in the usual blanket statement, "you hate Trump". I do understand why people who support Trump say it so often, because there's NO other way to defend Trump.
     
  9. Louisiana75

    Louisiana75 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2011
    Messages:
    11,363
    Likes Received:
    11,580
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    So you are refuting what doctors and scientist are finding, not to mention the FDA and you want anyone here to take you seriously. ****.
     
  10. JCS

    JCS Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2019
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    819
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And you make this absurd claim after Trump initially called the "pandemic" a hoax perpetrated by the Democrats. Now Trump is pushing an unproven drug to treat a hoax. What? I'm confused. So is Dr. Trump intimating that it's not a hoax anymore because he wants everyone to use the drug? This is too funny.
     
  11. Louisiana75

    Louisiana75 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2011
    Messages:
    11,363
    Likes Received:
    11,580
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    You started this off with a lie and you want anyone to take anything you say seriously.
     
  12. JCS

    JCS Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2019
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    819
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Of course. I know the history of the FDA, and that they can't be trusted. Neither can the CDC or the WHO be trusted. And I know that doctors/scientists have bought into the "viruses are real" hoax without solid scientific evidence. Most simply accept what the CDC & NIH tells them, as most don't have the expensive lab equipment to make a scientific determination on it. No so-called animal or human "virus" has ever been confirmed to have been isolated or purified. But we have some grainy images, as well as colorful artist/computer renderings of "viruses" to push this propaganda.

    I'm not saying people aren't getting sick & dying. They're just not getting sick/dying from any virus.
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2020
  13. JCS

    JCS Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2019
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    819
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Trump said, regarding the early warnings about coronavirus by Democrats..."And this is their new hoax." He obviously wasn't taking it seriously. So why are you?
     
  14. Louisiana75

    Louisiana75 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2011
    Messages:
    11,363
    Likes Received:
    11,580
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    So you want to go ride the NY subways, hang out in Chinatown?

    2.2 millions deaths to now projected 60K, someone along the way was lying deliberately to the American people, in order to shut down a booming economy months before an election. Stop and think.
     
  15. JCS

    JCS Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2019
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    819
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Sure. But they won't let me. But you can get sick just being at home because you can't escape electric pollution/cell towers, pesticides/man-made toxins, and long-term vaccine effects.

    Booming economy? For who? Oh yeah...the rich/corporations/banks.

    This is a great distraction & benefit for Trump. No more news about Trump's (and his minions) crimes in office, the elections might be suspended, Trump can deny the blue states essential medical supplies & gain favor among red state electorates, Trump can gain campaign favors from big business by bailing them out, people won't leave to go vote (which is why mail-in/absentee ballots are being relied on, mostly by low-income & minorities...but which Trump wants to deny them), and so on.

    Donald Trump’s In-Person Voting Demand Is Obscenely Hypocritical, and Worse:
    Republicans are simply terrified by the idea of anything that might encourage increased non-white turnout. [LINK]

    Trump: Absentee Voting Is Fraud Unless It’s My Supporters [LINK]

    Trump struggles to find a good reason to reject voting by mail [LINK]

    However, I believe there's a bigger (global) agenda behind this global crisis. I'm just waiting to see what it is...that is, unless it's just a test run for something bigger & badder in the future. The elites plan things out many years in advance. This is no spontaneous event. Their ultimate goal is a "one world government"...and they pretty much already have it, with the way central banks/banking cartel "own" and run the global economy...but it's not yet "official".

    Only a huge global upheaval can usher in the justification for a "one world govt"...just as it took a govt-planned 9/11 event to justify our invasion of the Middle East.
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2020
  16. Louisiana75

    Louisiana75 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2011
    Messages:
    11,363
    Likes Received:
    11,580
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Booming economy for who? Oh geez, yeah, you're beyond help. I do hope you can eventually look past your hate and hope that good things happen with medicines and the economy because right now you drowning in hate. So long. I have no time for people like you.
     
  17. JCS

    JCS Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2019
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    819
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    This is funny.

    Trump CALLED OUT for voting absentee right after attacking absentee voting

     
  18. French ex soldier

    French ex soldier Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2015
    Messages:
    59
    Likes Received:
    24
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Gender:
    Male
    In my country I just want to let all physician to chose their protocol/cure.
    You want it ? it’s ok, you dont want it ? it is your own choice.
    But Raoult detractors propose what ? nothing ... you can die... or not it is lottery.
    What else ? nothing...
    It is not politics left or right , just do you want to have the choice or not ?
    We will see in the future who is right and who is wrong.
    I read a lot on this site, but what I read is pure politics. Nothing about people’s health. Trump is not a doctor but as president he must listen to all the opinions. Raoult has a protocol and not only chloroquine. He is a real doctor. He offers something unlike others who offer nothing. If just one person can keep alive because of his protocol is a good thing.
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2020
  19. JCS

    JCS Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2019
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    819
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I love all people...all life.

    And having love for all people doesn't mean I accept just anyone as being suitable for a position of great influence/leadership.

    I hate deception.
     

Share This Page