Biden is creating a new White House office focused on gun violence prevention

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  1. Smedley

    Smedley Well-Known Member

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    It is not the law that I have a problem with.
    It is the mentality of thinking that allowing a small child to operate a fully auto MG is a good idea.
    That is what I have a problem with.
     
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    "Among prisoners who possessed a gun during their offense, 90% did not obtain it from a retail source. More than half (56%) of prisoners who possessed a firearm during their offense had either stolen it (6%), found it at the scene of the crime (7%), or obtained it off the street or from the underground market (43%). Fewer than 1% had obtained the firearm at a gun show (0.8%)."
     
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    True. And also true that they don't love you. Was there a point in there somewhere?
     
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    I think everyone has a problem with that so don't feel like you are in a minority.
     
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    OK, I don't want to derail the thread but thanks.
     
  6. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    And...who said that allowing a kid to fire an automatic weapon, without training and supervision, is a good idea?

    My kids all got a chance to fire automatic weapons before they were 18, but it was after lots of instruction and practice and with close supervision.
     
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    Wow! Those background checks are totally useless and your numbers prove that the claim"background checks stopped 3.5 million gun crimes" is a lie.

    Thanks for clearing that up.
     
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    Personally I don't care, I do insist on registration, but assault weapons are not useful in defending ones home. It would be excessive firepower, is my 1st guess. Not sure why you want to qualify the number of murders as a reason to have one.
     
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    how can anyone take your arguments seriously when you post something like the bolded nonsense. And all registration does is help facilitate confiscation.

    Did you know that criminals cannot be prosecuted for failure to comply with a registration law?
     
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    And all registration does is help facilitate confiscation.
    That is complete BS, you keep circling back to this ridiculous argument.
     
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    are you aware of what happened in England?
    do you understand the concept of shifting the burden of proof
    tell us what good does registration do for gun owners

    https://davekopel.org/2A/catastrophic-consequences-gun-registration.html
     
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    I was just pointing out Mellow guy's post New survey confirms majority of guns used by criminals are taken from people’s homes and cars was untrue.
    Per the study 2% got their firearms legally, that means those that couldn't pass the background check had to go elsewhere and that doesn't mean background checks are useless. You would rather have anyone able to buy a gun legally? Once a gun is obtained illegally they can be arrested for gun possession and many are.
    How did I prove the claim NICS stopped 3.5 mil gun crimes is a lie? But the actual quote is background checks since inception "more than 3.5 million illegal gun sales denied over the past 26 years". So if a gun had been sold to those who were not legally able to possess a firearm that would have been a crime committed by the purchaser, 3.5 million of them. .
     
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    a felon can be arrested for possessing a firearm no matter how he obtained it. Even one he once bought legally.
     
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    FAXON ARMS used to test their military/LEO contract assault rifles at a range where I am a member. Bob Faxon used to let my then 15 year old son shoot some of the stuff. Now he was already a successful competitive shooter by then but it had one of the Range officers right behind him. BTW I am a big fan of Faxon Arms and we recommend their barrels, AR rifles and PCCs highly
     
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    Lols! In 1996 here in Aus, during the “gun buy back” you couldn’t buy PVC pipe with ends for love or money. Even today people own metal detectors just to check where they hid thier guns :p
     
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    Abso flagging lutely!! When it comes to guns the best strategy is “Lock em up!”””
     
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    For so so many reasons not the least of which is keeping them OUT of the hands of criminals
     
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    no it doesn't. that's a myth and I already provided citations. Here is why. Almost every criminal who uses a gun didn't buy the gun legally. and few of them leave a gun they did buy legally at a crime scene. Tell us how registration helps solve crimes. I've tried a bunch of criminal cases so you best understand how that works
     
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    how so-its against the law for criminals to have guns. They don't buy them legally
     
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    Australia mate - not that easy to buy a gun here and even harder to steal one
     
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    Lols! Yeah I saw your “citations” more like an opinion piece without citations itself and since it talks of Obama very dated
    https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/7/3/184


    https://www.rand.org/research/gun-p...lls-us-about-the-effects-of-gun-policies.html
     
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    we are talking about the USA. Australia is irrelevant to this discussion unless Australia is so impotent that Biden's white house can set policy in that country
     
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    ah no proof-just thin correlation. and the dangers of registration (in additional to being unconstitutional) are well established. The RAND study doesn't support your claims btw-registration is listed as inconclusive and blank
     
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