Hamas has attacked Israel

Funny a quick google search for ancient Jewish temple near Meroe turns up nothing, Why am I not surprised? Tell me are you one of Farrakhan's followers?

 

Joe, we did it.

Biden Sent $148 Million to ‘Palestinian’ Areas Weeks Before Attack on Israel

The State Department warned that aid money was at “high risk” of funding Hamas.

In 2021, State Department officials warned that “there is a high risk Hamas could potentially derive indirect, unintentional benefit from U.S. assistance to Gaza” and asked for a special exemption from sanctions on funding terrorists.

In 2022, Biden met with Palestinian Authority terror leader Mahmoud Abbas and boasted that, “I reversed the policies of my predecessor and resumed aid to the Palestinians — more than a half a billion dollars in 2021.”

While the Biden administration kept the assessment that it was at high risk of funding Hamas secret, the results could be seen in real time. After the Trump administration and congress cut off foreign aid to the terrorist areas in the West Bank and Gaza, the number of terrorist attacks dropped sharply. So did the casualties. In all of 2020, only three Israelis were killed.

In 2021, when Biden restored aid to the terrorists, Israeli casualties shot up 900%.

They have since consistently risen every year Biden was in office, up another 82% from 2021 to 2022. Even before the horrifying atrocities of the conclusion of the Jewish High Holy Days, twice as many Israelis had been killed in one month of Biden than in one year of Trump.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/biden-...estinian-areas-weeks-before-attack-on-israel/

 

@ToughTalk

For the record, that last post of yours, had been the fourth time in a row, you'd made the exact same point. (Actually, it was the 5th time, but one was so obtusely worded, that I'd mistook what you had been trying to say).


#1) ToughTalk said: ↑
What's sad is that of all the surrounding Muslim nations...NONE are willing to take in Gaza civilians.




#2) ToughTalk said: ↑
"they" would be all the surrounding muslim nations that are unwilling to take in any refugees. Especially Egypt

Hamas told it's civilians not to leave. And of course they would. They want to maximize civilian deaths to try and pull in Iran or Iraq or (Jordan) into the mix. They want this war to expand.




#3) ToughTalk said: ↑
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...to-empty-gaza-rejects-corridors-for-civilians

"Egypt has discussed plans with the United States and others to provide humanitarian aid through its border with the Gaza Strip but rejects any move to set up safe corridors for refugees fleeing the enclave, according to Egyptian security sources."

Do you see any muslim state coming forward, offering to shelter refugees? Cause I don't.




#4) ToughTalk said: ↑
1) The direction to move south was after the rejection from Egypt. Had Egypt accepted to take the refugees, they would have asked the citizens to evacuate

2) We don't need other islamic nations to take the citizens, it's just telling that they won't. Low skilled, radicalized population.* They will offer support...but you stay over there.


*This is obviously your only focus & intention: to insult Palestinians. I have both given you other reasons why it is perfectly reasonable for "surrounding Muslim countries," to not want to remove Palestinians from the lands, upon which, they still hold a claim. And I have explained how their treatment by Israel, has only increased the radicalizing of the population. Funny, how you'd never addressed any of those responses, but just kept pushing out your same old, tired, non sequitur claim.

 

Well I guess that you not knowing about a temple in upper Egypt built by Jews means you'll be forever ignorant of the fact and a poor second place in any future debate about Africa and the Jews who lived there.

many white folk actually rejected their white supremacist lifestyle when I explained this. It was a defining moment in their lives when they realised that the racism they'd adopted their whole life was pointless and that the Jews did in fact, travel throughout Africa in antiquity.

 

Initially, they thought Egypt would be willing to accept refugees. When they learned that Egypt was refusing to do so they told them to go to another location.

Most of them still have legs. They can walk out of Gaza City in about an hour. If I was told by a country that my government just invaded and went door to door killing civilians and children that they were going to bomb my city I'd grab my family and leave if it came to that. I'd also be surprised that they'd be nice enough to warn me...

 

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SATURDAY, OCTOBER 14, 2023

Israel planning to send 10,000 troops to capture Gaza City, kill Sinwar — officials

Today, 3:42 am 0

• the New York Times reports, citing Israeli military officers who have spoken publicly.
  
  The report says the offensive would be the largest since 2006’s Second Lebanon War and will see the IDF attempt to hold on to parts of Gaza, at least temporarily.
  
  A Hamas official tells the newspaper its fighters will try to ambush Israeli soldiers by popping out of tunnels behind their advance to surprise the troops.
  
  According to the Israeli officials, the IDF’s rules of engagement are being eased so soldiers will be able to shoot at suspects more easily.
  
  Troops will be particularly focused on killing Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar, spokesman Lt. Col. Richard Hecht says.
  
  “That man is in our sights,” Hecht says. “He’s a dead man walking, and we will get to that man.”
  
  

 

"State Department officials in 2021 outlined the concerns in private communications, asking the Treasury Department to exempt them from laws that bar the U.S. government from injecting taxpayer aid into territories controlled by Palestinian terror groups. The Biden administration needed this authorization in order to move forward with its plans to unfreeze more than $360 million in U.S. funds for the Palestinian Authority that were cut off during the Trump administration due to the authority's support for terrorists.

"We assess there is a high risk Hamas could potentially derive indirect, unintentional benefit from U.S. assistance to Gaza. There is less but still some risk U.S. assistance would benefit other designated groups," the State Department wrote in a draft sanctions exemption request circulated internally in March 2021, shortly after Biden took office. "Notwithstanding this risk, State believes it is in our national security interest to provide assistance in the West Bank and Gaza to support the foreign policy objectives."

https://freebeacon.com/biden-admini...ld-boost-hamas-it-went-ahead-with-aid-anyway/

 

Again give me your proof your saying so isn't proof. Meroe was Kush/Nubia which is southern Egypt. A long way from where the Pyramids were built.

 

I'm not only making a statement against Palestinians. I'm making an observation on Islamic nations. Palestine and the Arabs started agressing on Israel since DAY 1. Literally. They never accepted the two state borders. They always felt (wrongly so) that they owned the land they were on. They did not. There was NEVER a "State of Palestine" until the British said so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict

Literally Day 1.

May 15 1948
Members of the Arab League – Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Transjordan, the Holy War Army and the Arab Liberation Army, marched their forces into what had the previous day ceased to be the British Mandate for Palestine. The League of Arab States sent a cablegram to the Secretary-General of the United Nations saying, "On the occasion of the intervention of Arab States in Palestine to restore law and order and to prevent disturbances prevailing in Palestine from spreading into their territories and to check further bloodshed".[6]

So **** em. Get conquered. Again. Because they felt too ****ing butt hurt to relocate a few shitty farmers.

 

All over the world media is adopting progressive rhetoric:

 

Point #1: your focus on trying to characterize Arab peoples, or however you would prefer phrase it, is a bit of a tangent, from this thread's central focus-- on the current event, expressed in its title, "Hamas Has Attacked Israel."

Point #2: It is hilariously ironic that a member of the political party which has all kinds of "problems" with various immigrants, including legal immigrants, who come from various "xxithole countries," to the U.S., and who are "taking our country," would have no sympathy for Near & Mid East, Muslim countries, not taking well to people from all over Europe and the rest of the world, who were of a very different culture, receiving a piece of land in their own neighborhoods.

There is a new thread I noticed, about a bill being introduced into our own House of Representatives, to prevent our country from admitting any Palestinian refugees, from Gaza. There is a thread about America being a "Christian" nation, which is quite a mainstream belief; as also, is the idea, that we are a White nation.

Historically, whenever new populations have first come to America, especially if their skin color, or religion, or culture was unfamiliar, we have given them a hard time (from "DAY 1"). Even now, there are those who would lock up South & Central American asylum seekers, in little cages, like they were dogs.

Apparently you don't understand the role of perspective, in the lives of humans and in societies. Things that may seem very important and justified to you, may seem petty, childish, stupid, selfish, and so forth, to other people, with a different perspective, who do not view those things as you do. Likewise, will things that others strongly believe, seem unjustified to you, looking at them with your outsider's perspective, because you do not view the things, as they do. Only an unreflective fool, though, assumes that his one particular view, or that of his one society, is the only "correct" way of thinking, in all matters, and that any other perspectives, when they differ from his, must be wrong, & perhaps worthy of criticism, as well.

 

Welp. I understand that Palestinians keep punching up above their weight class and continue to get their **** pushed in. And with every aggression, they lose more land.

After Israel relocated all the Jewish farmers out of Gaza and gave it back to Palestine...signed a 6 month peace treaty in 2005 and what happened?

"After Israel completely withdrew from Gaza in 2005, Hamas and other militants unleashed a barrage of daily rocket attacks into Israel. The city of Sderot, for example, one mile away from Gaza, was hit by over 360 Qassam rockets within a six-month period after Israel's withdrawal. In June 2006, militants from Gaza tunneled into Israel, killing two soldiers and capturing one. Two weeks later, Hezbollah, supported by Iran and Syria, attacked Israel across the internationally recognized Israeli–Lebanese border, killing eight soldiers and kidnapping two, simultaneously launching a barrage of rockets against civilian towns in northern Israel. Israel responded with a military operation that lasted 34 days. After Hamas fired thousands of rockets at Israeli communities and refused to renew a six-month truce, "

So Palestine can get ****ed. Message read loud and clear. This is a war. And with war comes winners and loser. And as such if Israel now wants to take the whole ****ing thing, they are entitled. They didn't start this ****.

 

And looks like a possibility that Hamas is using force to prevent their human shields from evacuating... skip to 7:00 in the video

 

Of course they would. Hamas is scum.

 

Civilized peoples consider it barbaric, and a war crime, to target civilians, during a military conflict. To act with blatant disregard for civilian welfare, however, even if the civilians are not deliberately targeted-- though Israel's intentions might leave this last part, open for debate-- is a negligence which can also be a war crime.


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I. War Crimes: Willful killing

Willful killing includes purposefully targeting civilians. It also includes situations in which an attacker employs a targeting procedure that he or she knows cannot effectively distinguish between civilians/civilian objects and legitimate military targets. Categories 2 and 3 below include recklessness, for example, when the attacker consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk of the harm to civilians and civilian objects.

1. Engaging in an attack with the purpose of killing civilians or destroying civilian objects

2. Engaging in an attack with the knowledge that the probable consequence will be to kill civilians or destroy civilian objects in violation of the principle of distinction*

3. Engaging in an attack with the knowledge that the probable consequence will be to kill civilians or destroy civilian objects in violation of the principle of proportionality**


* The principle of distinction: Parties to a conflict must at all times distinguish between civilians and combatants. Attacks may be directed only against combatants and military objects. Attacks must not be directed against civilians or civilian objects.


** The principle of proportionality: Parties to a conflict must refrain from attacks in which the expected loss of life or injury to civilians, and damage to civilian objects incidental to the attack, would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage expected to be gained.
<End Snip>


https://www.justsecurity.org/32644/explainer-mental-state-required-commit-war-crime/




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Is the killing of civilians a war crime?

“Massacring civilians is a war crime and there can be no justification for these reprehensible attacks,” said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International's secretary-general.1 day ago
https://apnews.com › article › israel-...
Experts say Hamas and Israel are committing war crimes in their fight
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It seems to me, that your own point of view, that "This is a war. And with war comes winners and losers," and "so **** 'em," is indistinguishable from that of Hamas, to whom you refer, as "scum."

I'm not saying, of course, that you've ever, yourself, perpetrated the same sorts of depraved acts, as have they; only that you think alike.

 

Thanks, Captain Obvious!

First, the thing that should surprise you, in your scenario, would be the bombing of a population center, at all. While Putin's behavior in Ukraine may have made some forget this, the targeting of civilians, in wartime, is considered inexcusable, and a war crime, or even a crime against humanity-- see my just replied post #1140. Note that it is not merely having the purpose of killing civilians, which defines a war crime (or terrorism) but also attacking "with the knowledge that the probable consequence will be to kill civilians or destroy civilian objects (in violation of the principle of distinction, or of the principle of proportionality-- both defined in post #1140)."

Secondly, I'm sure, Cornpop, that you are a regular Daniel Boone-- but you mustn't forget that not everyone is the specimen, that you are. Especially people who have lived all their lives at the poverty level, and for the last week have had scarce food and water. People who are perhaps very old, or young children, or a parent who must carry an infant, as well as whatever other supplies/possessions they deem necessary. It is also probably warmer than you would be used to, this time of year (highs predicted in the 80s, for all the coming days, in the short range forecast).

Last, but certainly not least, is the difficulty of those who are sick, those who have run out of some important medicine, or the many who have been injured, in the recent aerial barrage, from Israel.

On top of this, there is not even any guaranteed safe route, for the walkers to take, or any particular place for them to go, once they get from the north to the south. On Friday, multiple convoys of civilians, leaving Gaza City, were hit by Israeli air strikes-- Israel is not pausing its air war, or setting aside a safe corridor, for civilian passage.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/v...onvoys-leaving-northern-gaza-hamas-says-video


So I think you are judging Palestinians in Gaza, without having an accurate picture of the reality, and without taking all things into account.

 

They're targeting specific buildings due to Hamas. I get people think Hamas should be able to kill Jews and hide in Gaza City without Israel striking back, but that's not how war works.

80 degree weather? You're right. They should just stay and be bombed like Hamas told them too.

It's interesting to see you agree with Hamas and you're making absurd excuses for people to stay behind in the bombings. Pleasant weather is a great reason to stay in Gaza City and enjoy the bombings. Once the weather has highs of 70s they should probably get out though. It's worth dying for those extra few degrees in city, but not in 70s.

I also hear it may drizzle on Tuesday. Maybe if they stay in Gaza City they can see a rainbow that they won't be able to see outside of the city where it's much safer. Better keep the kids behind to bring joy to their lives.

I also respect your acknowledgement that poor people can't walk. Wealthy people can afford personal trainers so they're probably in much better shape to walk at the brisk pace of 1mph to evacuate the city in an hour or so. Obese people will likely also have the fat stores to burn the 100 calories required to evacuate by foot. So they're also at a large advantage over skinny people.

I assumed you were being sarcastic so I decided to play along. I hope you don't mind. I'm ready to have a serious conversation whenever you are.

 

Your narrative fails when faced with facts. If you look at the data, you will see that from the beginning of WW2 in 1939 until 1945, there were only 64,796 Jews that Immigrated to so-called Palestine. Between 1946 and 1948, the British Government intercepted about 50,000 Jews seeking to immigrate to Palestine. These 50,000 were interned in detention camps of the island of Cyprus. Not all of those that immigrated from Rome were converts. The majority are ethnic Jews. Many of their ancestors had been dispelled from Israel by the Romans in the aftermath of the Kitos war which took place between 115 and 117 AD. So, the numbers do not support your narrative.

You need to buy an atlas. Is on the Asian Continent! Not African or European continents. You also have your history bass-ackwards. If you would refer to Genesis in the Bible, you will see that the Jewish people immigrated to Egypt which is on the African Continent when there was a famine in the lands they occupied. It was Moses that led them out of Egypt. I'm sure that you will remember from your Orthodox Christian studies the story of the 10 Plagues, and the parting of the Red Sea. But that does not change the fact that Abraham was born Abrham in the town of Ur of the Chaldees. Which was located in Southern Iraq. After he was converted by God, he was told to relocate to the town of Herran which is located along what is today the border between Syria and Turkey. The only politicking and whitewashing being done is your perversion of history.

KM.T is not an ancient Kingdom. It is a form of hierographic used by ancient Egypt. Ancient Egypt was known as Kemet, but it was not the sight of the Israelites first Temple. The first Israeli temple was built by Solomon in Temple Mount in the city of Jerusalem. So far, you have been wrong on every count. Try to do better in the future!

 

The pyramids were built in Nubia. In fact there are more pyramids built in Nubia than the whole of Egypt.

Do you want proof for that as well?

 

Your narrative fails when faced with facts.

Pretty much everything you posted there was completely false.

Most of it was irrelevant to the conversation and there was also plenty of reference to white supremacist doctrines.




That was an extremely bad attempt to disprove

anything I mentioned about Israel being on the

African continental land mass, km.t bringing Israel

into existence, Meroe being the first place outside of

Israel to have a temple for the ISRAELITES and the

fact that white Jewish Europeans only recently

converted to Judaism and are not related to the

biblical ISRAELITES who are a black ppl as proven by


scripture and reliefs from the Babylonian exile

 

Best of luck to you, in your continued efforts, learning to read. Let me know when you make it to sixth grade level-- you do aspire to at least that proficiency, I hope?

 

Israel Is Walking Into a Trap

Hamas surely would not have meticulously planned its audacious assault without also extensively planning a response to the hoped-for Israeli counterattack on the ground. The Israeli military will likely encounter a determined insurgency in Gaza. After all, Israel has had control of the land strip from the outside, but not on the inside. Israeli dominion over Gaza’s coastal waters, airspace, electromagnetic spectrum, and all but one of its crossings, including the only one capable of handling goods, has made Gaza a virtual open-air prison—run by particularly vicious inmates but surrounded and contained on all sides by the guards.

Hamas evidently decided to destroy that status quo, which was no longer serving its interests. The Islamist group also hopes to seize control of the Palestinian national movement from its secular Fatah rivals, who dominate the Palestinian Authority and, more important, the Palestine Liberation Organization, which is the internationally recognized representative of the Palestinian people. Hamas has never been a part of the PLO, in large measure because it is unwilling to accept the PLO’s treaty agreements with Israel. The most notable among these is the Oslo Accords, which included recognition of Israel by Palestinians but no Israeli recognition of a Palestinian state or a Palestinian right to statehood.
https://www.theatlantic.com/interna..._content=20231013&utm_term=The+Atlantic+Daily

The article goes on to make two more points. 1. The goal of Hamas (and by extension Iran) is to replace the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people. 2. An ancillary goal is to block the diplomatic-normalization agreement that the United States has been brokering between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

 

I'm sorry, it's about 70 degrees here and that will make it difficult for me chase your arguments. Explain to us why you think an 80 degree day makes it so people need to stay in a city that is about to be bombed.

 

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Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu has reportedly ordered that the Water Supply to the Southern Gaza Strip be Restored in order to convince more Residents in the North to Evacuate towards the South; this move was apparently done after a Conversation with U.S. President Biden.


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